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Calorie Mate
06-12-2010, 12:34 PM
So I don't know much about prog rock outside of Rush, though I have the general impression it's a lot of noodlin' around with instruments for a long time and not exactly up my alley. But I figure I should give it a shot before writing it off!

Teach me.

taosterman
06-12-2010, 12:37 PM
You're a metalhead, right? There's a whole lotta prog up in that shit. Plus it's what gave Dr. Venture his genius!

Everyone's going to have deeper suggestions than mine, so I'll just get the obvious out of the way and say Close to the Edge by Yes.

Olli T
06-12-2010, 01:03 PM
You can't go wrong with Aqualung by Jethro Tull.

MCBanjoMike
06-12-2010, 01:10 PM
You can't go wrong with Thick as a Brick by Jethro Tull.

Come on, man, 45 minute songs are where the prog is at.

Zodar
06-12-2010, 01:13 PM
Listen to King Crimson. Court of the Crimson King is a given, Lark's Tongues in Aspic is really experimental and strange but very good.


the final track of Red is also pretty amazing (Starless), the rest is just decent.
Lizard is... eh. Not sure about the rest

also you really should listen to Thick as a Brick, it's an incredibly fun album

taosterman
06-12-2010, 01:15 PM
Lizard is... eh. Not sure about the rest

That pretty much covers it; the '80s albums get a lot of acclaim but I've always found them offputtingly sterile.

Garrison
06-12-2010, 01:22 PM
So I don't know much about prog rock outside of Rush, though I have the general impression it's a lot of noodlin' around with instruments for a long time and not exactly up my alley. But I figure I should give it a shot before writing it off!

Teach me.

Check out Prog Archives (http://www.progarchives.com/) and poke around. Prog rock is more of a catch-all term and can be stretched from King Crimson to Death to Al Di Meola. I'd imagine you'd be more into the Extreme/Technical Prog Metal catergories, but there's lots of stuff that has been mentioned thus far. If you want to listen to some of the first prog groups, check Emerson, Lake and Palmer's self titled disc, King Crimson's "Red", Camel's "Mirage" for decent starter stuff.

There's prog suited for all kinds of tastes, you just need to find what fits yours and build on from there.

MCBanjoMike
06-12-2010, 01:24 PM
I know that early Genesis is considered prog rock, but which albums are the best/most proggy?

taosterman
06-12-2010, 01:25 PM
I know that early Genesis is considered prog rock, but which albums are the best/most proggy?

Nursery Cryme, Foxtrot, Selling England by the Pound and Lamb Lies Down on Broadway make up the most acclaimed stretch. If you only get one, get Foxtrot.

Parish
06-12-2010, 01:28 PM
A handy sampler of albums, because tracks alone don't cut it:

The Beatles - Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band (the precursor)
Led Zeppelin - I, II, III, zoso
King Crimson - In the Court of the Crimson King, Lark's Tongues in Aspic, Red
Yes - Fragile, Close to the Edge, Going for the One
Emerson Lake & Palmer - Tarkus, Brain Salad Surgery
Can - Tago Mago, Future Days, Landed, Soon Over Babaluma
Rush - Hemispheres, Permanent Waves
Camel - The Snow Goose, Rain Dances
Genesis - Foxtrot, The Lamb Lies Down on Broadway, A Trick of the Tail, Duke
Gong - You, Live Floating Anarchy 1977
Pink Floyd - The Dark Side of the Moon, Wish You Were Here, Animals
Jethro Tull - Aqualung, Thick as a Brick, Heavy Horses
Gentle Giant - Octopus, In a Glass House
Chicago - At Carnegie Hall
Brand X - Unorthodox Behaviour
Marillion - Misplaced Childhood, Brave, Marbles
Hawkwind - In Search of Space, Space Ritual
Kansas - Song for America
Magma - Attahk
Van Der Graaf Generator - Pawn Hearts

That should keep you busy for a while.

JohnB
06-12-2010, 01:55 PM
Nursery Cryme, Foxtrot, Selling England by the Pound and Lamb Lies Down on Broadway make up the most acclaimed stretch. If you only get one, get Foxtrot.

What about A Trick of the Tail?

EDIT: Ah, Parish had it. Great list, man.

taosterman
06-12-2010, 01:59 PM
What about A Trick of the Tail?

EDIT: Ah, Parish had it. Great list, man.

A Trick of the Tail is awesome, but I didn't want to scare him off with Phil Collins. "Squonk" is probably the least-runnable song on my running mix, and I'm never removing it.

Parish
06-12-2010, 03:08 PM
Phil Collins' Genesis was amazing until he got famous. For my money, A Trick of the Tail and the non-sludgy half of Wind & Wuthering are the band's best albums, period. Much respect to Peter Gabriel, but once he left the group's sound became sharper, tighter, and more accessible, but the music was still beautifully composed and instrumentally complex.

Then Steve Hackett left and they kind of faded away, although I love Duke to bits.

My list was more or less skimming the surface of prog, which is really all I've ever done. I've recently taken a shine to more obscure groups, but I'm not really sure where to go from here. I've had great luck blind-buying:

Renaissance - Turn of the Cards
Soft Machine - Volumes I & II
National Health - National Health

...all of which I also recommend. But I'm not quite so sold on Caravan and a few others that I've tried out. So... I hope there are some good off-the-beaten-path recommendations soon!

Sheana
06-12-2010, 03:57 PM
Don't forget Jethro Tull's Minstrel In The Gallery! That's one of my favorite prog albums that gets a lot of listens.

Oh man, The Lamb Lies Down On Broadway. That album is confusing and makes next to no sense to me, and yet I greatly enjoy listening to it while working.

Pheeel
06-12-2010, 04:49 PM
Should I mention the Cardiacs here? Not really prog in the usual sense, but it's a bit like they've taken the proggish elements of bands like Genesis, VDGG, Gentle Giant, etc, and then ground them up in some kind of post-punk woodchipper. Come to think of it, they probably wouldn't even describe themselves as "prog". Actually, fuck it. Just watch the video.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0vP1r1DCz6w

I was in that crowd, somewhere. Pretty much as close as I've come to an actual religious experience.

Matchstick
06-12-2010, 04:51 PM
Parish's list is stellar and his comments re: Phil-era Genesis are spot on. A Trick of the Tail is my favorite album of theirs, overall. I also think Gabriel's music got better after he left the band.

Listen to King Crimson. Court of the Crimson King is a given...snip...the final track of Red is also pretty amazing (Starless), the rest is just decent.

This is backwards, in my opinion.

Calories, you already listen to prog, because you listen to Mastodon. :p

As a metal fan, bands like Porcupine Tree, Opeth, Mastodon, and Dream Theater can scratch that itch. Personally, a lot of the prog that the pedants point to these days bores the hell out of me. Part of the reason that King Crimson is such a favorite for me is that they have a more aggressive bent, in general, than things that come out of the more orchestrally influenced bands.

Parish
06-12-2010, 05:31 PM
It warms my heart to see so many thumbs up for my list. You folks are good people.

I have had a hard time enjoying Dream Theatre. My problem with them is that they sound so sterile. All precision and noise, no soul -- when King Crimson is living proof that you can have precision, noise, and soul. They suffered from the "super compressed loudness wars" sound a decade before such a thing really existed.

And yeah, the thing about prog rock is that it's a totally nebulous and arbitrary concept. No one actually says, "We are a progressive rock band!" Most bands will fervently deny it. It's like art and porn, I guess... you know it when you hear it. Anyway, there's equally good stuff around prog's periphery, like psychedelia and the Canterbury scene and dreamscapes a la Tangerine Dream and Mike Oldfield and techno/dance-tinged music like Ozric Tentacles and Eat Static and and and....

Basically, use the recommendations in this thread as a springboard to a huge ocean of amazing music that has been growing and thriving since the late '60s.

P.S., I lied. Actually the best album by Genesis is Seconds Out. Collins performing Gabriel-era and Trick/Wuthering tunes with Hackett on guitar and a drum cameo by Bill Bruford (!) and most of all this amazing production mix that gives every song beautiful clarity yet profound atmosphere. It's the album that made me truly, truly love music. The guitar solo in Firth of Fifth alone is worth the cost of the CDs -- it's been consistently capable of giving me chills every time I hear it for nearly two decades now.

taosterman
06-12-2010, 05:41 PM
I have had a hard time enjoying Dream Theatre. My problem with them is that they sound so sterile. All precision and noise, no soul -- when King Crimson is living proof that you can have precision, noise, and soul. They suffered from the "super compressed loudness wars" sound a decade before such a thing really existed.

It just sounds like really long hair metal to me, but I'm willing to chalk it up to being Not My Thing.

RE: Collins-era Genesis, don't get me wrong, I love a lot of it dearly, and the '83 self-titled album is actually one of my all-time favorites by the band, even if they'd totally ditched prog by that point. I just figured the Gabriel-era stuff would be more palatable for a recommendation.

mr_bungle700
06-12-2010, 05:57 PM
It warms my heart to see so many thumbs up for my list. You folks are good people.

Here's another thumbs up, then. You covered the stuff I would recommend and a lot more, leaving me with nothing much else to add to this thread.

Dizzy
06-12-2010, 06:01 PM
Opeth

Surprisingly eclectic. I still like their song Deliverance even though I think it should shed its cookie monster vocals.

Balrog
06-12-2010, 06:25 PM
What's a good prog rock album about space?

Sheana
06-12-2010, 07:01 PM
All of them.

Parish
06-12-2010, 07:42 PM
Everything by Hawkwind is about space. Also, "Cygnus X-1" by Rush (from A Farewell to Kings).

ravinoff
06-12-2010, 07:54 PM
Listen to King Crimson.
the final track of Red is also pretty amazing (Starless)

That is the best King Crimson song IMO.

List

Parish's list in general is excellent but I wanted to emphasize his recommendation of Magma, Can and Gong.

Other bands I'd suggest are Comus (their first album), The Art Bears (all of it), Univers Zero (first two albums), and Anglagard (both studio albums).

What's a good prog rock album about space?

If you consider atmospheric krautrock to be part of prog then the best answer to this question is Tangerine Dream's ZEIT.

estragon
06-12-2010, 07:57 PM
Do Mars Volta albums like Frances the Mute count as prog rock? It basically one long song and the end loops back to the beginning, so it's certainly pretentious enough to count. I don't know much about classical prog, but I like Mars Volta's more prog-ish stuff a lot.

Stephen
06-12-2010, 08:04 PM
What's a good prog rock album about space?

Ayreon's Into the Electric Castle (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BGpSf_m85dw#t=0m32s) is about an alien that kidnaps humans from different eras and forces them through a deadly maze of traps to enter and then escape from the Electric Castle in order to study them. Or something. Every character is played by a different vocalist, so it plays as a musical b-movie disguised as prog rock album.

Stephen
06-12-2010, 08:09 PM
Also, Comus' First Utterance (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ae5ckJTB5o8) is my favorite obscure 70's prog album. It's intense, psychedelic folk music inspired by a John Milton poem.

Matchstick
06-12-2010, 08:19 PM
I have had a hard time enjoying Dream Theatre. My problem with them is that they sound so sterile. All precision and noise, no soul -- when King Crimson is living proof that you can have precision, noise, and soul.

In general, I can't really argue with this. As they themselves said (albeit jokingly), "balls and chunk is where it's at". As a drummer and metal fan, I dig a lot of what they do, but mainly on a rhythmic and aggression basis. They can do melodic things and their Scenes from a Memory album is probably the best at moderating the over the top music as athletic endeavor tendencies.

As far as King Crimson goes, I also have a special place in my heart for Discipline. It showcases both their technical prowess in songs like "Indiscipline" and "Thela Hun Jinjeet") as well as their melodicism ("Matte Kudasai" and "Sheltering Sky").

There are more modern bands out there worth checking out (like the ones I listed plus Umphrey's McGee and vonFrickle), but until you've taken a spin through the touchstones it's not necessarily a priority.

ArugulaZ
06-12-2010, 09:05 PM
I can't really bitch about Dream Theater, because the lead guitarist did such a great job of scoring Last Gladiator Pinball and its sequel. Still waiting for Necronomicon on the iPhone, Kaze!

Er, anyway. I guess I was a fan of progressive rock before I even knew what it was, but it's still really hard for me to draw a line between what is prog rock and what isn't. Bands that used to be prog will sometimes go mainstream, and their music will change; sometimes subtly and sometimes less so. Then there are other bands which have some progressive rock characteristics, but fans of the genre will beat you senseless if you dare to refer to them as prog. Queensrhyche is one example. Is there any absolute definition of what progressive rock is, or is subject to personal interpretation?

Garrison
06-12-2010, 09:29 PM
Is there any absolute definition of what progressive rock is, or is subject to personal interpretation?

This is a question that will lead to the downfall of nations.

Everyone has their own definition of what is and what isn't prog. There are signatures of prog such as odd time signatures or complex song structures, but ultimately it really doesn't matter. Like I said earlier, prog is a catch-all term these days for a certain feeling that the music associated with the genre gives off. It's just something that is.

I feel like such an idiot after typing that.

ravinoff
06-12-2010, 09:33 PM
Soft Machine - Volumes I & II


You should definitely check out Soft Machine's Third. It's my favorite Soft Machine album and one of the best albums to come out of the Canterbury scene.

MCBanjoMike
06-12-2010, 10:19 PM
List O' Prog

I think I'm just going to print this and take it to the record store tomorrow.

Parish
06-12-2010, 11:39 PM
Please take a photo of the stack you bring home so that I may shed a single tear of pride.

Balrog
06-12-2010, 11:41 PM
I bought Hawkwind's "In Search of Space" tonight. Here goes nothin'.

Olli T
06-13-2010, 12:03 AM
What's a good prog rock album about space?

I'm not a big fan of Yes, but they seem to be all about space from what I've heard.

That question reminds me of the Finnish rock band CMX (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CMX_%28band%29) whose album Talvikuningas (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talvikuningas) is basically one long prog space opera song. While the band generally plays quite mainstream rock (they actually started out as a punk band), the have a lot of prog influences, especially on the album Dinosaurus Stereophonicus (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dinosaurus_Stereophonicus) (which is my favorite album of theirs).

Here are some youtube videos:
Punainen Komentaja, from Talvikuningas (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fGCsh_bnhuQ)
Jatkuu niinkuin sade, from Dinosaurus Stereophonicus (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FXQJnsS9Wq4)
Iliman pielet, from the same (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e4rg0_aMcqM)
You will find a large bunch of their songs by searching for CMX on youtube, but as I said, it's not all prog even with a wide understanding of the term. I like them a whole lot.

ASandoval
06-13-2010, 12:09 AM
Since Dream Theater is my favorite band, the joke around town is that I'm a prog rock head... but that's people being silly because I don't really enjoy anything else that most people consider progressive (outside of the obvious such as Pink Floyd, which I never really considered progressive until someone mentioned it. But like we said, the term itself is kind of nebulous).

That long winded explanation out of the way, a lot of progressive rock people I know recommend Symphony X. They do absolutely nothing for me, though.

Balrog
06-13-2010, 12:33 AM
I bought Hawkwind's "In Search of Space" tonight. Here goes nothin'.

Listening now....the Orchestral Intro from the Gorillaz' Plastic Beach (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5w_upzACEVo) sounds a lot like Seven by Seven (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G02VkJ-1uFY). No foolin'.

ShakeWell
06-13-2010, 01:03 AM
So I don't know much about prog rock outside of Rush, though I have the general impression it's a lot of noodlin' around with instruments for a long time and not exactly up my alley. But I figure I should give it a shot before writing it off!

Teach me.

This thread is where people with formerly good taste go to die.

taosterman
06-13-2010, 01:41 AM
This thread is where people with formerly good taste go to die.

WHAT'S THAT SORRY I WAS TOO BUSY FLYING MY ASTRAL PLANE

Pheeel
06-13-2010, 02:52 AM
I can't believe no-one's yet mentioned the mighty FOCUS! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZSVzCtgu2t4) Prog + yodelling, what's not to love?

Parish
06-13-2010, 12:27 PM
In this thread, Shake Well reveals he has nothing useful to contribute.

POSSIBLY EVER?

Calorie Mate
06-13-2010, 12:53 PM
This thread is where people with formerly good taste go to die.

True story: I wanted to learn more about prog rock because I felt bad about making fun of it all the time without giving it a chance.

ArugulaZ
06-13-2010, 01:03 PM
I can't believe no-one's yet mentioned the mighty FOCUS! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZSVzCtgu2t4) Prog + yodelling, what's not to love?

You mean the guys who did Hocus Pocus? I didn't think that was progressive rock... sounds more like something you'd hear on Doctor Demento, sandwiched between two Weird Al songs.

Pheeel
06-13-2010, 01:52 PM
You mean the guys who did Hocus Pocus? I didn't think that was progressive rock... sounds more like something you'd hear on Doctor Demento, sandwiched between two Weird Al songs.

Dude, Focus are totally prog! Although some of their other stuff like "House Of The King" is much more in the vein of Jethro Tull or something like that.

Sir Sly Ry
06-13-2010, 01:57 PM
I don't know much about the genre but I will reiterate In the Court of the Crimson King, it's rad. Dream Theater is kind of blah to me, even though I own a few albums (I kind of only enjoy Metropolis pt. 2 of the albums I have)
Opeth in my opinion is really boring for the most part.

MCBanjoMike
06-13-2010, 03:32 PM
Lordy lordy, I just bought me a huge pile of music! Five CDs in one trip, which is probably the most music I've bought in a day since I was in university. It wasn't all prog, but I picked up Foxtrot and Dark Side of the Moon - the latter on Super Audio CD*, no less! I also got a compilation of early Black Sabbath, which I think sorta counts. It has The Wizard, for chrissakes! I look forward to a glorious week of dorking out to prog records while I'm at work.


*Actually, it's a hybrid SACD, which I'm hoping will play properly in my computer. Maybe some day I'll be able to experience the album in full 5.1 glory, but it won't be today. I mean, it's not like I have a SACD player lying around or anything.

ShakeWell
06-13-2010, 06:52 PM
True story: I wanted to learn more about prog rock because I felt bad about making fun of it all the time without giving it a chance.

And have thusly given me a chance to make fun of you.

In this thread, Shake Well reveals he has nothing useful to contribute.

POSSIBLY EVER?

And you tell me, Mr. Parish, since when is making fun of Calorie Mate not contributing something useful?

Also, if I'm to be (slightly) less snarky, Coheed & Cambria (the first two albums, anyways) are the best prog, because they're basically prog played by a hardcore band.

SilentSnake
06-13-2010, 07:00 PM
Also, if I'm to be (slightly) less snarky, Coheed & Cambria (the first two albums, anyways) are the best prog, because they're basically prog played by a hardcore band.

But you hate Coheed and Cambria past a certain point!

Adrenaline
06-13-2010, 08:15 PM
Coheed actually got worse as they became more proggy. It's not because they got more proggy though, it's because they also stopped adding the interesting bits that made the songs enjoyable.

Sir Sly Ry
06-13-2010, 08:32 PM
I also got a compilation of early Black Sabbath, which I think sorta counts. It has The Wizard, for chrissakes!
Well, the right thing would have been to get the first six albums.

mr_bungle700
06-13-2010, 08:58 PM
So, seeing as the basics of prog are already really well covered in this thread, I've been thinking about what I could contribute that would be somewhat valuable beyond that. Considering the fact that I'm both a Japanese music aficionado and a longtime prog fan, I'm wondering if anyone here is interested in me pointing out some of the better Japanese prog groups. There may not be any bands that are on par with the greats, but quite a few of them (like, say, Koenji Hyakkei (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BCkcj0vqysc), Nai (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S5gx2A9sOpk)kaku (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WJ0WZJYvPEY) and Bi Kyo Ran (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=owcfLnLnwIU)) are very interesting. Mainly, this would just be for the benefit of people who are already prog fans and are looking for something new, and people who are interested in hearing Japanese music that's not the typical mainstream stuff.

ShakeWell
06-13-2010, 10:25 PM
But you hate Coheed and Cambria past a certain point!

1) I specified the first two records.

2) Even if I hate them past the first two records (though the third has some bright moments), they're still better than all the other prog rock.

shivam
06-14-2010, 11:45 AM
Also, Tool's Lateralus is pretty damned awesome modern prog.

Calorie Mate
06-14-2010, 12:02 PM
Ok, I'll divide what's been suggested so far that I've listened to into a Good list and a Bad list.

Good
Led Zeppelin - I, II, III, zoso
Rush - Hemispheres, Permanent Waves (minus The Trees)
Mastodon
Porcupine Tree
early Black Sabbath

Bad
The Beatles - Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band (the precursor)
Pink Floyd - The Dark Side of the Moon, Wish You Were Here, Animals
anything by Genesis
anything by Tool
anything by Coheed and Cambria
anything by Dream Theatre
Opeth


...so really, what I've learned is that prog is all over the damn place and is incredibly subjective. Neat!

Calories, you already listen to prog, because you listen to Mastodon. :p

Yeah, I know. When I said "prog" I was thinking more along the lines of Rush and less along the lines of prog metal, but I suppose that's a stupid distinction.

As a metal fan, bands like Porcupine Tree, Opeth, Mastodon, and Dream Theater can scratch that itch.

You've got a 50% success rate...and I actively dislike things like Dream Theatre much more than I seek out things like Mastodon.


Also, if I'm to be (slightly) less snarky, Coheed & Cambria (the first two albums, anyways) are the best prog, because they're basically prog played by a hardcore band.

I can't believe I'm being made fun of by someone that likes Coheed & Cambria.

MikeDinosaur
06-14-2010, 12:17 PM
Coheed & Cambria are a joke, forever, where Robert Fripp is a certified great music guy by arbiters of taste as great as peak-era Eno and Bowie. You only get to make fun of prog if you get less embarassing taste Shakewell. :(

Faust IV is great. So is Neu! In general I find krautrock has more of what I like about prog and less of what I find cripplingly embarassing, like Peter Gabriel's lyrics and Keith Emerson's everything.

The best American prog is early Funkadelic though. Maggot Brain has great playing and a sense of humor, and you don't have to be embarrassed to play it for your friends. All their early albums are a little uneven, but they made so much music when they were hot that you can easily make an unimpeachable mix out of their best stuff.

Nicholai
06-14-2010, 12:48 PM
I like prog rock quite a bit and have a lot of King Crimson and Emerson, Lake, & Palmer on vinyl, but I my enjoyment hasn't ever really moved beyond the bands everyone knows like, King Crimson, ELP, Kansas, Pink Floyd, Led Zepplin, Yes, and Rush. Of course, I led into my enjoyment of prog rock by bands like Asia, Styx, Foreigner, Journey, Boston, and such so what do I know?

Sheana
06-14-2010, 02:46 PM
Bad
The Beatles - Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band (the precursor)
Pink Floyd - The Dark Side of the Moon, Wish You Were Here, Animals
anything by Genesis

...Come here.

Matchstick
06-14-2010, 02:57 PM
You've got a 50% success rate

No, you have a 50% success rate.

Calorie Mate
06-14-2010, 03:02 PM
...Come here.

The only Beatles album I like is Abbey Road. And while Pink Floyd has a couple songs I dig, overall I just can't get into it.

No, you have a 50% success rate.

I suppose that's a way of looking at it.

Sheana
06-14-2010, 03:05 PM
I'm going to return this Calorie Mate to the store. There's something wrong with it, I demand a refund!

(Though I must admit, I think Dark Side Of The Moon is okay but a bit overrated, I don't get why it's considered THE Floyd album. It's neat and landmark and all but I'd much rather listen to Animals or Meddle or Wish You Were Here or something.)

Zodar
06-14-2010, 03:52 PM
Meddle is the only Pink Floyd album i can stand to listen to anymore, i burnt myself out on the rest of it in middle school. literally spent days just listening to The Wall on loop... ugh.

Echoes will never stop being a good song though

Garrison
06-14-2010, 03:54 PM
Animals and Wish You Were Here are the only albums I return to frequently. Everything else is situational for me.

Dampe
06-14-2010, 04:08 PM
Bad
anything by Tool

Try Lateralus if you haven't already.


Bad
anything by Dream Theater

Give Images and Words and Awake a listen, if you still don't like them then I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree.

Also you're totally wrong about The Trees.

Pheeel
06-14-2010, 04:31 PM
As everyone has ignored my suggestions so far, I'm just gonna go ahead and suggest some more. How d'you like them apples.

The Enid - Something Wicked This Way Comes (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MmPQAtZL6-I)
Steve Hillage - The Glorious Om Riff (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oBPv1EYE9FU)
Godley & Creme - I Pity Inanimate Objects (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q_-YiM2vZuo)
Robert Wyatt - Sea Song (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V4fFsrnC0ZA)

taosterman
06-14-2010, 05:54 PM
Robert Wyatt - Sea Song (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V4fFsrnC0ZA)

I'm going to second that, especially because Wyatt exemplifies the quieter, quirkier side of prog. And he's only become a stronger songwriter with age; his last few albums are among his best work.

Calories: If you're not that into Genesis-style prog, the albums on Parish's list I'd most recommend are Soft Machine's debut (Wyatt's original band) and Gentle Giant's Octopus. Both bands generally stick to songs that hover around 3-4 minutes and emphasize quick, punchy creativity over long-form fairytales.

Zarathustra
06-14-2010, 07:59 PM
If you want to loosen the debatable boundaries of the ~genre~ then you could go nuts and try getting into the multitudes of John Zorn, maybe a collaboration with Mike Patton.

I think you'd REALLY like Krallice (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0WnbcLaWzXw), the most accessible of Mick Barr (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mick_Barr)'s projects.

Stephen
06-15-2010, 08:46 AM
According to wiki, Death (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lc9zpFc-I1I) is a prog rock band, so hey, go listen to that.

NevznachaY
06-15-2010, 12:28 PM
I'll never understand how anyone can hate Floyd.

Anyway, I'm SO all over this thread. I used to be a complete prog-head (is that a word?) in my teens.

Not mentioned yet:
- Uriah Heep "Demons and Wizards"
- ELP "Pictures at an Exhibition"
- Muse "Origin of Symmetry"

T-Brew
06-15-2010, 12:37 PM
Magma (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UrMKtulK6aM).

I dare you.

MCBanjoMike
06-16-2010, 11:18 AM
Currently listening to Genesis' Foxtrot for the first time. I can't say I like all of it, but it certainly is entertaining! I looked up the words for Get 'Em Out By Friday and was much bemused by the last couple of verses.

taosterman
06-16-2010, 11:55 AM
Currently listening to Genesis' Foxtrot for the first time. I can't say I like all of it, but it certainly is entertaining! I looked up the words for Get 'Em Out By Friday and was much bemused by the last couple of verses.

If you really want a mindfuck, listen to "The Musical Box" from the album Nursery Cryme and do the same thing, except with the whole song.

Olli T
06-17-2010, 12:41 AM
I guess Zappa is worth mentioning in this thread, although he was really more of a thing of his own. For example, Peaches en Regalia (horrible video version, sorry) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v-cEkk-n8OA) is soooo good.

Meditative_Zebra
06-17-2010, 01:34 AM
Magma (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UrMKtulK6aM).

I dare you.

I listened to a little bit of Magma back in the days of Audio Galaxy. They're pretty obscure (not to mention utterly bizarre) so I never really listened to much.

However, there was apparently another band called Magma which did a song called Aisha (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jZz7b36GRxk) that I enjoyed. I haven't ever been able to discover anything about this band, not even if that it's actually a different band that the French band Magma (though I presume they're different since Aisha is in Polish). Anyone know anything about these guys?

Calorie Mate
06-17-2010, 10:23 AM
Try Lateralus if you haven't already.

Hasn't everybody heard that album? No thanks.


Also you're totally wrong about The Trees.

No, that song isn't good, I'm sorry.

Calories: If you're not that into Genesis-style prog, the albums on Parish's list I'd most recommend are Soft Machine's debut (Wyatt's original band) and Gentle Giant's Octopus. Both bands generally stick to songs that hover around 3-4 minutes and emphasize quick, punchy creativity over long-form fairytales.

If you want to loosen the debatable boundaries of the ~genre~ then you could go nuts and try getting into the multitudes of John Zorn, maybe a collaboration with Mike Patton.

I think you'd REALLY like Krallice (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0WnbcLaWzXw), the most accessible of Mick Barr (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mick_Barr)'s projects.

I will try all of those next chance I get.

According to wiki, Death (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lc9zpFc-I1I) is a prog rock band, so hey, go listen to that.

Whaaaat? No way. Death doesn't sound prog-y at all to me. This just reinforces the fact that it's a stupid label.

Dampe
06-17-2010, 10:44 AM
No, that song isn't good, I'm sorry.
No need to apologize to me, it's your loss.

Matchstick
06-17-2010, 03:50 PM
Whaaaat? No way. Death doesn't sound prog-y at all to me. This just reinforces the fact that it's a stupid label.

Says the guy who says he doesn't know much about prog.

taidan
06-26-2010, 05:01 PM
Parish got me tuned into Can in the first place, and I'm continuing my exploration with Future Days and Monster Movie. Let's see how it goes.

Edit: For the first time in my life, I think I got a commercial CD that was a bad press. Future Days wouldn't play at all on any cd player or game console, and shows up on my PC as a blank CD (it won't even mount in Linux). I exchanged it for Delay 1968, which certainly won't be as refined as Future Days, but at least it will let me make a solid judgement on the Malcom Mooney era of the band.

ArugulaZ
07-28-2010, 01:49 AM
HOLY SHIT. I just listened to Fight Fire with Fire, which was a Kansas song! If I hadn't been otherwise informed, I would have guessed it was performed by Survivor! Did all the progressive rock bands just drop their pants and bend over for the record labels in the 1980s? Yes, Genesis, and now Kansas... it's pretty sad when the band with the most integrity during the decade was Rush.

Parish
07-28-2010, 09:44 AM
Genesis

Do not conflate Phil Collins' solo work with Genesis.

The Keith
07-28-2010, 03:54 PM
Good
Led Zeppelin - I, II, III, zoso
Rush - Hemispheres, Permanent Waves (minus The Trees)
Mastodon
Porcupine Tree
early Black Sabbath

Bad
The Beatles - Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band (the precursor)
Pink Floyd - The Dark Side of the Moon, Wish You Were Here, Animals
anything by Genesis
anything by Tool
anything by Coheed and Cambria
anything by Dream Theatre
Opeth


Your list confuses and perplexes me.
One the one hand, you are liking Led Zeppelin and Rush, but you don't like Dream Theater. You can touch, taste and smell Dream Theaters influences from those bands.

You like Mastadon, but not Tool. That hurts me to think about. I thought we could be friends!

I can understand Coheed and Cambria, Genesis, Beatles and Pink Floyd. Those are hit or miss to me, some all miss (Coheed), some hit big (Dark Side of the Moon.)

I'm gonna toss something out there I didn't see anyone else mention:
Early Chicago. The 70's era that produced things like Color My World and 25 Or 6 to 4, not the 80's pop era (though I like that too, just doesn't qualify as prog) The way that band integrated it's horn section and the arrangements it produced were ground breaking.

My definition of Prog Rock doesn't actually mean "long songs with many time changes and movements" so I actually consider early Van Halen to be prog as well.

MCBanjoMike
08-04-2010, 07:45 AM
I'm finally listening to that copy of Dark Side of the Moon that I picked up on my CD-purchasing bender a month or two ago. It's the super audio/regular audio CD hybrid that I will someday listen to on my PS3 in full surround sound. Not today, though; today I'm listening to it on the crappy computer speakers I have hooked up to my work computer. So far, I'm digging it - except for that awful blues singer woman in The Great Gig in the Sky. Seriously, were they kidding when they hired her to do those vocalizations?


*Possibly while baked, because even though I don't smoke marijuana, it just seems like it would be appropriate.

YangusKhan
03-21-2012, 05:21 PM
I'm resurrecting this thread to make sure everyone knows Jethro Tull is releasing Thick as a Brick 2 on April 4th (http://www.jethrotull.com/discography/taab2/iancomments.html), and will be touring worldwide performing both the new album and original. That tour sounds like it would be incredibly fatiguing, especially for Ian Anderson since he's like 90 years old now, right?

Parish
03-21-2012, 05:24 PM
Uhhhh what the hell? Sequels to albums are a weird idea. This had better not be as lousy as Tubular Bells II.

taosterman
03-21-2012, 05:39 PM
Still not as misguided an album title as J-Tull-Dot-Com.

Krakenbrau
03-21-2012, 05:39 PM
Some more recent(ish) stuff that I've been into:

The Nightmare Becomes Reality by Anima Morte
Quantum by Planet X
...and both Liquid Tension Experiment albums.

Closer to the power metal/euro-cheese end, Symphony X, Ayreon, Haken are all pretty decent.

Also, Tool's Lateralus is pretty damned awesome modern prog.

Yes. It is.

I'm finally listening to that copy of Dark Side of the Moon that I picked up on my CD-purchasing bender a month or two ago. It's the super audio/regular audio CD hybrid that I will someday listen to on my PS3 in full surround sound. Not today, though; today I'm listening to it on the crappy computer speakers I have hooked up to my work computer. So far, I'm digging it - except for that awful blues singer woman in The Great Gig in the Sky. Seriously, were they kidding when they hired her to do those vocalizations?


WHAT.
Clare Torry is fuckin' incredible on that track. I get goosebumps, every time.

taosterman
03-21-2012, 05:43 PM
I think listening to it in full surround sound is ideal for that track! Like most of that album, it's at its best when it envelops you.

Shagohod
03-21-2012, 06:19 PM
WHAT.
Clare Torry is fuckin' incredible on that track. I get goosebumps, every time.

You and me both, brother. That's the most intense song on that album.


I've been digging into The Mars Volta lately. Damn they are amazing. I'm most familiar with De-Loused but have acquired all the other ones recently. Need to dig in more.

Matchstick
03-21-2012, 06:35 PM
...and both Liquid Tension Experiment albums.

I haven't listened to them in a while, but I recall enjoying the first one more than the second.

Sanagi
03-22-2012, 12:22 AM
Echoes will never stop being a good song though
Echoes is the mother of all prog in my book. It has the floaty, mysterious lyrics that sure seem like they must mean something. It flirts with funk, atonality and minimalism without wearing out its welcome(like, say, Revolution #9), and links it all together with a series of anticlimaxes. And under the pretense it's really just a jam session for organ and electric guitar.

Parish
03-22-2012, 10:03 AM
The working title for "Echoes" was "Return of the Son of Nothing." I think the moment they changed the name is the moment where Pink Floyd forgot how not to take itself seriously as Artistes.

taosterman
03-22-2012, 10:18 AM
The working title for "Echoes" was "Return of the Son of Nothing." I think the moment they changed the name is the moment where Pink Floyd forgot how not to take itself seriously as Artistes.

That's my beef with Floyd, honestly, particularly the later albums. I don't think music necessarily needs a sense of humor, but The Wall is just ... oppressively anti-humorous. Like, it makes other albums in my collection less funny by osmosis.

Parish
03-22-2012, 10:46 AM
Anything that was "funny" in later albums was Roger Waters' heavy-handed attempt at satire.

R.R. Bigman
03-22-2012, 12:06 PM
I'm looking to buy some more music on my iPod. What are the five best Yes songs. Also, I'm not not sure if The Moody Blues count as Prog Rock, but I'll ask anyway. What are the best Moody Blues songs?

taosterman
03-22-2012, 12:21 PM
I'm looking to buy some more music on my iPod. What are the five best Yes songs. Also, I'm not not sure if The Moody Blues count as Prog Rock, but I'll ask anyway. What are the best Moody Blues songs?

I'm assuming you already know Nights in White Satin, so here are some others:

Legend of a Mind (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r_TbovyVOzs)
Question (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IBsdHoTdOmc)
The Story in Your Eyes (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BgOtLKttDU4)
Lovely to See You (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3T62FDHh56A)

and if you want some later, '80s-ified but still solid Moodies,

The Voice (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-umqM9R8cnI)

ArugulaZ
03-22-2012, 01:44 PM
Five best Yes songs? Wow, tough call, but let me give you my list, in no particular order:

Awaken: A fifteen minute emotional rollercoaster that starts out invigorating and ends on a somber yet hopeful note. Probably my favorite song from the band. Takes a lot of emotional investment, so try to find a nice quiet spot to listen to this one.

Siberian Khatru: Has all the impact of a sledgehammer to the skull, especially near the end when the band breaks into its best vocal instrumentation. ("DA! DA DA! DA DOO DEE DA DOO DEE DA DOO!") It should be silly, but actually works... unlike "Cha cha cha!" from Sound Chaser, which was just silly.

Machine Messiah: Widely recognized as Yes's hardest song, and a strong influence on later progressive rock bands like Dream Theater. If you like your progressive rock with teeth and snarling guitars, you need this in your collection. Jon Anderson is absent from this song and the others on Drama, but you won't miss him.

Close to the Edge: The title track from the album Close to the Edge, starting out with forest ambiance that grows until the chirping of birds and frogs threatens to deafen the listener. It expands into a symphony of racing guitars, the mystical twang of Eastern instruments, and the fast-paced, rhythmic singing of Jon Anderson. It's all capped off with the powerful blasts of a pipe organ and a decrescendo of the wildlife mentioned previously.

tie, Rhythm of Love/Order of the Universe: These aren't really Yes's best songs, but a good way to round out an early collection, just so you can get a taste of their later, more radio-friendly work. Rhythm of Love is more menacing, while Order of the Universe is a catchy, feel-good tune that will get you tapping your feet and pumping your fists.

taosterman
03-22-2012, 01:46 PM
I have to vouch for Tempus Fugit (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=48btVDYz3JU), which doesn't sound like classic Yes (it's from the album with Trevor Horn instead of Jon Anderson), but is a wonderful fusion of new wave with the band's usual tight musicianship.

Also, The Gates of Delirium (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OI9ZGTO9eVc), mostly because turning War and Peace into a song is the sort of delicious overreaching the genre is known for.

ArugulaZ
03-22-2012, 03:52 PM
Yeah, Tempus Fugit is a fantastic song, and does a better job of being an musical adrenaline surge than Order of the Universe. Is it too late to change my recommendation?

A lot of these songs are very long and can't be purchased on their own; you have to get the whole album if you want them. (That's the way it works on Amazon, anyway.) What I'd recommend is that you just buy Close to the Edge and Drama, to get a taste of classic Yes and the refreshingly light flavor of new Yes.

If you're happy with those two, get Going for the One, Fragile, and The Yes Album next. 90125 is iffy; see if you can find a copy at a thrift store or garage sale. Tales from Topographic Oceans is an acquired taste and its excesses may be a turn-off. Relayer is a second helping of Topographic Oceans, but more obnoxious. Tormato you can skip; I like some of the songs but there are just as many stinkers. (The late 1970s was a dark age for progressive rock... everyone but Rush was squeezing out turds they charitably described as albums.)

Also, the new album, Fly from Here, is a tasty little morsel. It's not as good as Yes at its prime but a fun follow-up to Drama, which never received a proper sequel until now. It's not essential, but worthwhile if you liked Drama.

Dizzy
03-22-2012, 04:12 PM
Next time I need to get a hold of some prog rock, I'm consulting ArugulaZ. :cool:

Sanagi
03-22-2012, 06:18 PM
What are the best Moody Blues songs?
Ditto Taosterman's recommendations. Also, their best prog-ish albums are Days of Future Passed, To Our Children's Children's Children and On the Threshold of a Dream.

What I like about the Moody Blues, at their best, is that they have that hippie-ish sense of psychedelic optimism, but the music and lyrics are composed with care, not just a mish-mash whipped up by a bunch of guys on drugs. And while they can be pretentious or melodramatic, there's a sense of humor as well which saves them from seeming too full of themselves. This mostly goes out the window in the 80s, of course...

taosterman
03-22-2012, 06:37 PM
I have a soft spot for the Moodies because I love bands where every member writes, performs and sings at some point. Even if the drummer mostly restricted himself to reciting shitty poetry.

R.R. Bigman
03-22-2012, 09:46 PM
Damnit, a lot of the Yes songs are Album Only! Who does that! People shouldn't have to buy a whole album just to get the one song they actually want. I guess my followup question is what's the best Yes Album? I only have sixteen dollars in Apple money, so I can only afford one, if that.

I'm glad to hear I'm not the only person to like some Moody Blues.

taosterman
03-22-2012, 09:51 PM
Close to the Edge is their towering classic, followed by Fragile, I'd say.

Matchstick
03-22-2012, 09:55 PM
Close to the Edge is their towering classic, followed by Fragile, I'd say.

Spot on. I'm glad to see good comments about Drama, though. It's a particular favorite of mine.

Parish
03-22-2012, 10:08 PM
My votes on イエス:

"Heart of the Sunrise" (from Fragile)
"Awaken" (from Going for the One)
"On the Silent Wings of Freedom" (from Tormato)
"And You and I" (from Close to the Edge)
"Changes" (from 90125)

Matchstick
03-22-2012, 10:28 PM
My votes on イエス:

"Heart of the Sunrise" (from Fragile)
"Awaken" (from Going for the One)
"On the Silent Wings of Freedom" (from Tormato)
"And You and I" (from Close to the Edge)
"Changes" (from 90125)

And again I say: spot on. You pretty much hit on my favorite tracks from those records. The other early tune I'd want to work into this list is "Starship Trooper".

YangusKhan
03-22-2012, 11:51 PM
Buy Close to the Edge.

ArugulaZ
03-23-2012, 11:16 AM
I'm reconsidering my recommendation... Close to the Edge is kind of deep water for a Yes newbie. You'd get a lot more variety from Fragile, and the songs are more compact. It's probably better that you work your way up to the fifteen minute long epics in the Yes library, rather than starting with them.

R.R. Bigman
03-23-2012, 11:29 AM
I'm reconsidering my recommendation... Close to the Edge is kind of deep water for a Yes newbie. You'd get a lot more variety from Fragile, and the songs are more compact. It's probably better that you work your way up to the fifteen minute long epics in the Yes library, rather than starting with them.

I may be new to Prog Rock, but I think I'm ready for fifteen minute long epics. Hopefully I won't have to be dunked into a bathtub full of ice water.

ArugulaZ
03-23-2012, 11:43 AM
Sorry if I was condescending... I know I had to be eased into prog myself.

What I would personally recommend is kicking the tires of some songs on YouTube, to see what you like best. Most of the Yes library is covered on that site.

YangusKhan
03-23-2012, 01:48 PM
Well it's not like we recommended Tales from Topographic Oceans here. Close to the Edge is very much my favorite album, but Fragile is really good too so it's not like he'd be getting a downgrade.

taosterman
03-31-2012, 12:52 PM
The Moody Blues talk earlier led me to revisit To Our Children's Children's Children, something of the gourmet choice of the band's catalogue. I used to shun it because of what I felt was a lack of any true standouts, but 1) this isn't true, as Gypsy (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wWuwUhSis1U) kicks some serious ass, and 2) it turns out I was wrong anyway, as it's a seriously consistent collection of epic '60s pop.

Shagohod
04-05-2012, 10:31 AM
The new Mars Volta album is quite a letdown. It severely lacks energy and panache. The drummming on it is pretty awesome though, so it wasn't a total loss.

For having around a half a dozen abums, this is their first big misstep so it's not a bad track record. I doubt they'll ever be able to top De-Loused anyway

Issun
04-05-2012, 10:50 PM
Question: Would it be safe to call Busta Rhymes "Prog Rap"?

shivam
04-06-2012, 12:23 PM
i read a review of nicki minaj's new album this morning that called her prog-rap.

ArugulaZ
04-06-2012, 03:05 PM
I always thought P.M. Dawn would be best described as progressive rap, but apparently that titled is applied to politically progressive rappers, like Public Enemy.

taosterman
04-06-2012, 04:06 PM
So I've been listening to a lot of Camel lately. I've loved The Snow Goose since I was ... like ... a toddler (my parents played it a lot around the house) but was never very familiar with much else by them. They're pretty worthwhile all around!

ArugulaZ
04-06-2012, 07:55 PM
I enjoy Camel too, but one of my favorite songs from the band is probably not likely to be enjoyed by anyone else. Remote Romance is silly, experimental, and has a peppy, quasi-new-wave edge to it that I think is brilliant. Plus, it's from the album with a crucified astronaut on the cover... how can you go wrong with that?

Parish
04-06-2012, 08:40 PM
You forgot to mention that the title of the album with the crucified astronaut is "I Can See Your House From Here." Brilliant.

I tried getting into Camel 20 years ago and hated them. Gave them another shot with Rain Dances and liked it so much I blogged about it! Their sound is sometimes corny, but they're good people at heart, I think.

MikeDinosaur
04-08-2012, 08:11 PM
Question: Would it be safe to call Busta Rhymes "Prog Rap"?

What? And Nikki Minaj? Half her song are the same star trax shit Katy Perry and Rihanna put out. Do you mean because of their rhyme patterns or something? The only hip hop stuff I've heard convincingly called proggy are the big beat suites guys like J Dilla, DJ Shadow, and Madlib have made.

Issun
04-08-2012, 09:05 PM
Do you mean because of their rhyme patterns or something?

That was mainly what I was thinking of. Busta's rhyming schemes are so complex they're about on par with the guitarwork of Yes or King Crimson. Not to mention his fascination with apocalyptic imagery, which I should think is sufficiently nerdy.

Kishi
04-08-2012, 09:15 PM
Prog rap

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q7_jbluF0qo

Issun
04-08-2012, 09:38 PM
I was thinking Del might qualify, too, but I figured one artist at a time.

Parish
04-09-2012, 12:55 PM
I picked up Thick as a Brick 2 out of morbid curiosity. I hope it's good. Tull hasn't produced a good album since A Little Light Music, or a good album of new content since Crest of a Knave (which gets undue hate for the Metallica kerfuffle).

Zodar
04-09-2012, 02:08 PM
daily reminder that, while better songs exist on their other albums, Discipline is the all-around best King Crimson record. drop what you're doing and listen to it.

YangusKhan
04-09-2012, 03:11 PM
I picked up Thick as a Brick 2 out of morbid curiosity. I hope it's good.

Listened to it today and was not impressed. From what I understand it's mostly an Ian Anderson solo-project and I think that totally shows; the whole album has too many lyrics and not enough free form prog craziness.

Matchstick
04-09-2012, 03:38 PM
daily reminder that, while better songs exist on their other albums, Discipline is the all-around best King Crimson record. drop what you're doing and listen to it.

Word. I picked it (specifically the 40th anniversary remaster) as the Album of the Week for a recent On the Stick episode.

Parish
04-09-2012, 05:49 PM
Listened to it today and was not impressed. From what I understand it's mostly an Ian Anderson solo-project and I think that totally shows; the whole album has too many lyrics and not enough free form prog craziness.

Oh, so it's "The Final Cut" of Jethro Tull albums.

Edit: Correction, it's "The Pros and Cons of Hitchhiking" of Jethro Tull albums.

Matchstick
04-09-2012, 05:50 PM
Oh, so it's "The Final Cut" of Jethro Tull albums.

Ouch.

ArugulaZ
04-09-2012, 10:14 PM
I picked up Thick as a Brick 2 out of morbid curiosity. I hope it's good. Tull hasn't produced a good album since A Little Light Music, or a good album of new content since Crest of a Knave (which gets undue hate for the Metallica kerfuffle).

Really? I thought The Jethro Tull Christmas Album was quite good. However, like a fruitcake, you have to pick around the unpleasant ingredients to get to the tasty bits. I understand why the choir performances were included, but they're definitely not what I paid to hear. On the plus side, Birthday Card at Christmas serves as a musical call to arms for all those poor souls who were born between December 15th to January 4th, and the instrumentals are uniformly terrific; even Bourie with Ian Anderson's silly snorting at the end. I still have most of the songs on my playlist four months after Christmas ended, so they must have done SOMETHING right.

taosterman
04-09-2012, 10:15 PM
daily reminder that, while better songs exist on their other albums, Discipline is the all-around best King Crimson record. drop what you're doing and listen to it.

'80s Crimson is way too sterile for me. I probably like it more now than I used to, but I always long for the grime of the mid-'70s albums.

Ouch.

Final Cut has its ardent defenders. Mostly people who think Waters was the band's best asset, and every opinion he had to voice was gold.

Matchstick
04-09-2012, 10:48 PM
Final Cut has its ardent defenders. Mostly people who think Waters was the band's best asset, and every opinion he had to voice was gold.

Sure, and those people are nuts.

Parish
04-09-2012, 11:04 PM
I like The Final Cut well enough, but not as a Pink Floyd album. The Pros and Cons of Hitchhiking and Amused to Death, however, are indefensible.

Meditative_Zebra
04-09-2012, 11:45 PM
daily reminder that, while better songs exist on their other albums, Discipline is the all-around best King Crimson record. drop what you're doing and listen to it.

I would tend to cast my vote for Red. (Or at a stretch I might go with In the Court of the Crimson King.)

And I like The Final Cut! It's not an amazing album, but it has three or four worthy songs on it.

Sanagi
04-10-2012, 01:18 AM
Amused to Death has its moments too. And some perfectly nice songs that leave a bad taste behind thanks to Waters's willingness to air dirty laundry in the middle of his concept albums. The guy can write a hell of a song, but I think he needs an editor to save him from his excesses. Chop Amused to Death down to its best forty-five minutes and it'd be really good.

By contrast, Dave Gilmour's lyrics improved when Polly started helping him, proving to be something of an Anti-Yoko. I suspect that she served as that much-needed editor for him. Probably at one point she said, "Stop throwing in words just because they rhyme!"

If he'd married her sooner, maybe we wouldn't have gotten stuck with "The hand of fate that seemed to fit just like a glove."

Matchstick
04-10-2012, 05:52 PM
Yeah, I don't hate The Final Cut, but concur that it's not a good Pink Floyd album.

Parish
04-14-2012, 05:10 PM
I finally listened to Thick as a Brick 2, and it's startlingly good! If I could somehow excise the two awful Ian Anderson spoken bits (especially his godawfully ham-fisted televangelist commercial) it would be a consistently listenable piece of music from start to finish. As it is, it's easily the most enjoyable collection of new music to have the Jethro Tull name attached to it since Crest of a Knave.

Matchstick
04-14-2012, 11:37 PM
You guys should check out Pure Reason Revolution. Specifically, The Dark Third. I picked this album up quite a while ago and totally dug on it. Standout tracks:
Aeropause (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DFsr_f6Ymb4)
Goshen's Remains (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DDHW8bsHB0w)
Bullits Dominae (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RxTwa3TTHNA)

I get a bit of a mid-period Pink Floyd vibe from them at times.

Alixsar
04-15-2012, 10:21 PM
So The Mars Volta put a new album out, and I'm listening to it now to see if it continues the trend of every single album of theirs getting worse and worse. I'm only one song in, but that one song is quite possibly the worst thing I've ever heard.

God help me.

Edit: I would tend to cast my vote for Red. (Or at a stretch I might go with In the Court of the Crimson King.)

Basically this. Discipline is great too. Those are the only three I ever listen to.

The good news is that The Mars Volta album is actually pretty good thus far, except that first song which is SO BAD OMGGGG

Shagohod
04-16-2012, 08:39 AM
The new Mars Volta was a big letdown. I like number 6 and that is mainly it. The drumming on the album is still great though, so I still listen to it for that. They always have some of the best drummers.

MikeDinosaur
04-16-2012, 11:42 AM
'80s Crimson is way too sterile for me. I probably like it more now than I used to, but I always long for the grime of the mid-'70s albums.

I think Absent Lovers did a decent job of adding some of that back in. I dunno, it just sounded a bit less like a Talking Heads tribute album than Discipline, even if I couldn't tell you why.

wumpwoast
04-16-2012, 03:02 PM
You guys should check out Pure Reason Revolution. Specifically, The Dark Third. I get a bit of a mid-period Pink Floyd vibe from them at times.

It was hard for me to get into this album, since they sequence lots of similar keys and tempos one after the other. Ironically, the high points are very catchy and good -- as a whole it's very worth hearing. It's just not easy to listen to in one stretch!

Alixsar
04-16-2012, 03:23 PM
The new Mars Volta was a big letdown. I like number 6 and that is mainly it. The drumming on the album is still great though, so I still listen to it for that. They always have some of the best drummers.

I haven't finished it yet (I feel asleep!) but I like it WAY more than their last album and like it overall. I've gotta give it another listen though.

Parish
04-16-2012, 07:15 PM
I think Absent Lovers did a decent job of adding some of that back in. I dunno, it just sounded a bit less like a Talking Heads tribute album than Discipline, even if I couldn't tell you why.

Because Absent Lovers sounds like a performance rather than robots executing a precision music program?

taosterman
04-16-2012, 07:20 PM
I think Absent Lovers did a decent job of adding some of that back in. I dunno, it just sounded a bit less like a Talking Heads tribute album than Discipline, even if I couldn't tell you why.

I listened to Absent Lovers once, liked it a lot, then inexplicably never listened to it again. I should probably remedy that.

ArugulaZ
04-16-2012, 07:47 PM
Because Absent Lovers sounds like a performance rather than robots executing a precision music program?

Well, that works pretty well for new wave. Most of my favorite new wave songs sound like they were performed by machines. However, it's not a perfect fit for progressive rock. As an example, have you heard the studio run-through of Run Through the Light? It's got none of the nuance of the final version, with Trevor Horn just repeating "Run through the light" over and over in tune to a weird repetitive background tune. Nooooooo thank you! I couldn't drop that fast enough from my playlist. The song badly needed an injection of prog to make it entertaining.

Parish
04-16-2012, 09:13 PM
I don't think it's necessary to draw demarcations between genres, and I'm not really sure "prog rock" is a genre to speak of. I like Discipline and its follow-ups a lot better than KC's '90s work, which was sterile and overly busy.

YangusKhan
06-25-2012, 02:16 PM
I've been listening to a lot of Yes' Relayer lately, and "The Gates of Delirium" perfectly illustrates the love/hate thing I have with this genre. On one hand, literally half the song could just be cut out and I wouldn't care, but the final 1/4 is just beautiful and amazing.

EDIT: Additionally, many thanks to Parish for mentioning "The Friends of Mr. Cairo" in a blog post a while back; love that song a lot now and didn't even know Vangelis + Jon Anderson was a thing.

taosterman
06-25-2012, 02:26 PM
It's weird, I think a lot of prog epics could stand to be cut down, but I've always thought Gates was a lot of fun the whole way through. Honestly, "Soon" is probably the most boring part to me.

Parish
06-25-2012, 02:45 PM
Yeah, I'm with toasterman. The Gates of Delirium is some great listening but comes to a screeching halt with "Soon."

The worst thing about the prog rock concept is the stupid sense of needless oneupmanship that leads bands to create these bloated, overlong messes of music simply for the sake of saying "Look, we made this really long song!" When a song needs to be long to express an idea, cool; but when it's just a bunch of different ideas strung together or one idea stretched to the point of tedium, someone needs to step back and say, "Well, maybe not."

Yes is a great example of both. Half their epic tracks seem to exist simply for the sake of bigness, particularly Tales from Topographic Oceans (which they've openly stated was created as a "take that," and whose dullness drove Rock Wakeman from the band). The lengthy studio tracks from the Keys to the Ascension sets were bad that way, too. But then on the other hand you have last years "Fly from Here," which has the structural feel of a symphony, exploring multiple ideas over its lengths while circling back around to recurring themes.

ArugulaZ
06-27-2012, 08:15 AM
I didn't see the genius of the album before, but now that I've spent time with it I'm really starting to warm up to Big Generator. I'm Running is a fun, frantic song that could only have come from the Yes of the 1980s.

Also, I don't mind Rick Wakeman's solo work. There's something delightfully campy about a 1970s rock retelling of Journey to the Center of the Earth, and the fact that Wakeman is absolutely convinced it's a work of great significance makes it all the better. You just don't have the heart to tell him that a battle between dinosaurs constructed from clumsy metaphors isn't profound; it's just profoundly silly.

Matchstick
06-27-2012, 08:26 PM
I didn't see the genius of the album before, but now that I've spent time with it I'm really starting to warm up to Big Generator. I'm Running is a fun, frantic song that could only have come from the Yes of the 1980s.

I think "genius" is a bit far, but the album does include one of my favorites of the "Cinema" version of the band ("Love Will Find a Way"). Overall, I don't think there's anything as strong as the best bits of 90125 (even though it seems to be all the rage to shit on that album these days). Related: the intro that Jon gave for "Holy Lamb" when I saw them on the Big Generator tour was hilariously out there.

taosterman
06-28-2012, 01:37 PM
I think "genius" is a bit far, but the album does include one of my favorites of the "Cinema" version of the band ("Love Will Find a Way").

I eat at Chez Nous!

ArugulaZ
06-28-2012, 02:19 PM
There's actually a place called that. Several in fact! When I get rich I'm going to eat at one of those restaurants, and have Big Generator blasting in the background.

taosterman
07-01-2012, 06:46 PM
http://i.imgur.com/lMWLc.jpg

Lego King Crimson.

Parish
07-01-2012, 07:53 PM
twenty-first century brickzoid man

ArugulaZ
07-01-2012, 08:30 PM
I'll see your Lego creation and raise you an end boss from a Sega Genesis game!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V3CDYqEF7Jg&feature=player_detailpage#t=24s

Mightyblue
07-01-2012, 09:09 PM
I'll see your Lego creation and raise you an end boss from a Sega Genesis game!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V3CDYqEF7Jg&feature=player_detailpage#t=24s

Holy shit, I had that game as a kid on the Genesis but could never remember the name of it. I don't think I remember ever using those bomb things either, haha.

ArugulaZ
07-02-2012, 05:27 PM
Holy shit, I had that game as a kid on the Genesis but could never remember the name of it. I don't think I remember ever using those bomb things either, haha.

True story... I wound up paying a fifteen dollar late fee on this one because I accidentally kept it for much too long. Although I don't know how "accidentally" it actually was.

Midnight Resistance had really quirky controls on the Sega Genesis because it didn't have enough buttons to properly simulate the arcade game's click knob. Nevertheless, I have fonder memories of this than Contra: Hard Corps, partially became it came out during a dry spell for the Genesis and partially because it's a more user-friendly game, even with the goofy controls. And now I want to play it again and talk about it in a more relevant thread...

Anyway! What's with prog rock's (and new wave's) fascination with electrical pioneer Nikola Tesla? A large chunk of Unitopia's Artificial World was devoted to the man I like to call the hipster's Thomas Edison.

taosterman
08-14-2012, 09:17 AM
Slate's David Weigel left the 2012 election alone for a spell and kicked off a five-part series on prog (http://www.slate.com/articles/arts/prog_spring/features/2012/prog_rock/history_of_prog_the_nice_emerson_lake_palmer_and_o ther_bands_of_the_1970s_.html). I actually know Weigel from my days posting on music review websites and messageboards in the late '90s, and it's great to see him back to his bread and butter.

Mint
08-14-2012, 10:06 AM
I don't listen to very much prog rock aside from Camel and occasionally King Crimson.

Some of the related genres (post-rock in particular) are awesome though.

MCBanjoMike
08-14-2012, 10:12 AM
Slate's David Weigel left the 2012 election alone for a spell and kicked off a five-part series on prog (http://www.slate.com/articles/arts/prog_spring/features/2012/prog_rock/history_of_prog_the_nice_emerson_lake_palmer_and_o ther_bands_of_the_1970s_.html). I actually know Weigel from my days posting on music review websites and messageboards in the late '90s, and it's great to see him back to his bread and butter.

That is a great read!

Parish
08-14-2012, 12:04 PM
Thanks so much for posting that. I'm glad someone got paid to write the article I've always wanted to, because he did it way better than I could have. Probably because Slate paid him a salary to interview those guys.

This was a good reminder that The Nice were amazing and I need to own them on CD now that my vinyl copies of their stuff are long gone.

Meditative_Zebra
08-14-2012, 12:29 PM
That is a great read!

Seconded.

Up next, let's see Atomic Rooster!

Mint
08-14-2012, 12:36 PM
This (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ysCeaED_6Eg) sounds like what would happen if Mike Patton and Lightning Bolt had a child.

T-Brew
08-15-2012, 01:01 AM
Is it a coincidence that they sound like Koenjihyaekki (http://youtu.be/QhEX8rqJEWs)? There aren't likely too many Japanese Zeuhl bands.

Upon typing that last sentence: I am probably entirely wrong, aren't I?

Mint
08-15-2012, 08:20 AM
Is it a coincidence that they sound like Koenjihyaekki (http://youtu.be/QhEX8rqJEWs)? There aren't likely too many Japanese Zeuhl bands.

Upon typing that last sentence: I am probably entirely wrong, aren't I?

Kōenji Hyakkei was formed by the core member of Ruins, so nope, it's not a coincidence.

Meditative_Zebra
08-15-2012, 06:04 PM
five-part series on prog (http://www.slate.com/articles/arts/prog_spring/features/2012/prog_rock/history_of_prog_the_nice_emerson_lake_palmer_and_o ther_bands_of_the_1970s_.html)

Parts two and three are quite nice as well.

Meditative_Zebra
08-16-2012, 05:17 AM
Double post because reading these articles has prompted me to head over to youtube and listen to some prog rock I've never heard before. Which is where I discovered a Dutch band called Focus and their live performance of Hocus Pocus which is absolutely amazing (http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=g4ouPGGLI6Q#start=0:00;end=4:36;autoreplay=false ;showoptions=false). I mean, c'mon. The keyboardist has flute solo and a yodeling solo. How could you possibly go wrong?

taosterman
08-17-2012, 09:29 AM
Focus's music is all over Steve Coogan's BBC show Saxondale, where he plays an aging roadie who runs an exterminator business. It's the highest concentration of prog rock I've seen on television.

ArugulaZ
08-20-2012, 12:51 PM
Oh yeah, Focus! I remember hearing their biggest hit, Hocus Pocus, on the radio in the 1970s and 1980s, until it was swapped out for Joe Satriani's cover. That version wasn't bad, but it's just not the same without the yodeling...

Zodar
08-21-2012, 07:26 PM
Is it a coincidence that they sound like Koenjihyaekki (http://youtu.be/QhEX8rqJEWs)? There aren't likely too many Japanese Zeuhl bands.

Upon typing that last sentence: I am probably entirely wrong, aren't I?

Yo I realize that I'm like five days late on this, but Koenjihyakkei. Everybody should listen to Koenjihyakkei (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ItUnkwJCZ04). That video sent me on a wild journey through Japanese experimental/dissonant music, which culminated in a run-in with Merzbow and a hasty escape

Also: Post some cool Japanese prog groups/songs. Like Strawberry Path (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m5x50DDsOZ4) or Flied Egg (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2eQOsb7H56w)

Mint
08-22-2012, 09:26 AM
Yo I realize that I'm like five days late on this, but Koenjihyakkei. Everybody should listen to Koenjihyakkei (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ItUnkwJCZ04). That video sent me on a wild journey through Japanese experimental/dissonant music, which culminated in a run-in with Merzbow and a hasty escape

Merzbow rules

Have some Mouse On The Keys. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PNcXo7_b9M4)

mr_bungle700
08-22-2012, 11:14 AM
Also: Post some cool Japanese prog groups/songs.

'kay.

Let's start by enjoying a little more zeuhl music, this time from Bondage Fruit (http://youtu.be/OKRpBi9_zYU).

For old-timey 70s prog, there's Far East Family Band (http://youtu.be/zeRODVCm7PY), which spawned new age pioneer Kitaro.

Also back in the 70s, Susumu Hirasawa was in a prog outfit called Mandrake. While they tended to be a little too self-indulgent for their own good, they did have some fine moments (http://youtu.be/gYJladCLdes). Drink in those delicious, fat basslines.

And then there's whatever the heck Katra Turana (http://youtu.be/3YkmLrT8-Yg) was.

Here a "cover" song from Ground Zero (http://youtu.be/CR7y3y56_-k).

And some King Crimson-y stylings from Bi Kyo Ran (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=owcfLnLnwIU).

Naikaku (http://youtu.be/dXBIF-euyBc) is one of my favorite prog bands from Japan, the reasons for which I hope are apparent (http://youtu.be/NVujxltHVvk).

Le Silo (http://youtu.be/pa5n506ReAE) is a band I only recently discovered. They made a good impression though!

If the style of Pageant (http://youtu.be/zIpe9iKC4g4) and Mr. Sirius (http://youtu.be/NqNlnjV_vd4) reminds you of game music, that's because it kind of is! Members of both of these bands have been involved in the game business. You might recognize the voice of Risa Ohki, as she contributed to the Final Fantasy vocal albums, among other things. Meanwhile, Mr. Sirius drummer Chihiro Fujioka got his start as a composer at Square before becoming a producer at Nintendo.

Jumping ahead to the very early 90s, we'll pay a quick visit to Kenso (http://youtu.be/4D6Y0IVbWtU).

If you're in a really experimental mood, you can check out the math rock nonsense of Sajjanu (http://youtu.be/xN3Lk-PEFqA).

But let's get back to some actual music with Salle Gaveau (http://youtu.be/5b2mopuvmjs).

And finally, we'll recycle a couple of recent links to KBB (http://youtu.be/zou2wW4-f5Y) and Pochakaite Malko (http://youtu.be/wGhZQxN_zsM), because they demand to be clicked!

You can also hear prog influence in amazing new wave scene of the 80s, and some bands like After Dinner (http://youtu.be/BUZbS_bK8aE), Killing Time, Luna Park Ensemble (http://youtu.be/bScNXJ8xKBs), Wha-Ha-Ha (http://youtu.be/Br9KsRAM7Fc) and Haniwa All Stars (http://youtu.be/xus1RBA8uCw) got some of their work published in the west by RIO guys Fred Frith and Chris Cutler after they heard it and had their minds blown.

Zodar
08-23-2012, 06:13 PM
I tried listening to a few of those, but now I'm stuck playing that second Naikaku song over and over. What have you done?

Mint
08-24-2012, 10:52 AM
Japanese prog recommendation : Nuito (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1lNK9kWmUqk)

mr_bungle700
08-24-2012, 11:16 AM
I tried listening to a few of those, but now I'm stuck playing that second Naikaku song over and over. What have you done?

Given you a wonderful gift!

You know you've got a quality prog song when it's fifteen minutes long and you don't even notice.

Zodar
08-25-2012, 05:22 PM
The sax on that Ground Zero track fucking SLAYS, but then the lady starts singing and nnnnn

mr_bungle700
08-26-2012, 01:32 AM
The lady singing is my favorite part!

MCBanjoMike
08-28-2012, 06:56 AM
So for some reason, I've decided that today will be the first time I listen to Tales from Topographic Oceans. Will it be a moving piece of conceptual art rock, or 80 minutes of proggy wankery? Let's find out!

I'm nearing the end of the A side, and I liked most of it pretty well. The last 5 minutes of The Revealing Science of God are kind of wanky/psychedelic, but for the most part it has actually been pretty accessible so far. Based on this album's reputation, I'm guessing that won't last!

Parish
08-28-2012, 09:45 AM
The two middle tracks are pretty meandering, but The Revealing Science of God and Ritual - Nous Sommes du Soleil are downright listenable. I recommend the live (Yesshows) version of the latter, though.

MCBanjoMike
08-28-2012, 09:58 AM
The two middle tracks are pretty meandering, but The Revealing Science of God and Ritual - Nous Sommes du Soleil are downright listenable.

That wound up being pretty much exactly my experience with it. Wonder if I can download only those two, or if iTunes will foist the others off on me in the process? Actually I don't wonder of course they will.

Shagohod
08-30-2012, 10:26 AM
Has anybody gotten the new Rush album? According to reviews it is pretty decent.

Of course I enjoyed some songs off of Test for Echo and Vapor Trails. I'm not anti-new Rush like many are

taosterman
08-30-2012, 01:23 PM
Has anybody gotten the new Rush album? According to reviews it is pretty decent.

Of course I enjoyed some songs off of Test for Echo and Vapor Trails. I'm not anti-new Rush like many are

I haven't heard any Rush albums since the mid-'80s, so I can't compare it to their more recent work, but it's awesome in its own right.

Dampe
08-30-2012, 01:40 PM
Has anybody gotten the new Rush album? According to reviews it is pretty decent.

Of course I enjoyed some songs off of Test for Echo and Vapor Trails. I'm not anti-new Rush like many are
I enjoyed both Vapor Trails and Snakes and Arrows, but I would say Clockwork Angels is better than both of those combined. There is only one real clunker of a song on the whole album (Seven Cities of Gold).

Also Headlong Flight (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZcFGrWjOX0E) is their best song in 20 years.

Sir Sly Ry
08-31-2012, 06:46 PM
I have one album by King Crimson, the debut. If I had to check out ONE more album by them, which one should it be?

taosterman
08-31-2012, 06:52 PM
I have one album by King Crimson, the debut. If I had to check out ONE more album by them, which one should it be?

Given that you're a metalhead, Red without a single doubt.

Meditative_Zebra
08-31-2012, 08:29 PM
Given that you're a metalhead, Red without a single doubt.

I'll second that.

Sir Sly Ry
08-31-2012, 10:54 PM
Fair enough, but I also sometimes like things that aren't metal! But I've heard that album mentioned before, might as well say hello to it.

Parish
08-31-2012, 11:15 PM
Red is the best album and has the best song, so yes.

I finally listened to Clockwork Angels last week after months of owning it. I was so grossed out by the STEAMPUNK CONCEPT ALBUM marketing I couldn't bear to play it. Turns out it's pretty OK. Rush still doesn't remember how to write individual songs that can stand alone as interesting music, but at least this isn't an unrelenting wall of monotonous noise like their last few albums.

Meditative_Zebra
09-01-2012, 01:41 AM
Speaking of King Crimson, I just realized that I don't have a copy of In the Wake of Poseidon on my computer anymore. =( I'll have to see if my dad still has that cd and try and borrow it from him.

Seven
09-01-2012, 08:23 AM
I remember purchasing In the Court of the Crimson King back in high school simply because the album art caught my eye and I still enjoy listening to it. I should probably look up more of their work starting with those recommended here.

Also because of this thread I ended up buying a copy of Aqualung.

taosterman
09-01-2012, 11:42 AM
Fair enough, but I also sometimes like things that aren't metal! But I've heard that album mentioned before, might as well say hello to it.

Either way, it's one of their best albums and better than In the Court.

Meditative_Zebra
09-01-2012, 11:41 PM
Gee, In the Court of the Crimson King and Red have such different sounds (not to mention mostly different lineups) that it's hard to make a direct comparison between the two. But if I had to choose I'd probably go with the former over that latter. (But Red is a much more consistent album.)

ArugulaZ
09-02-2012, 01:14 AM
I have one album by King Crimson, the debut. If I had to check out ONE more album by them, which one should it be?

For me, that would be the cutoff point. I didn't really care for the other albums, although some are more tolerable than others. B'Boom from Thrak is pretty high impact rock even if it boils down a carefully orchestrated thrashing of the band members' instruments. One More Red Nightmare from Red is also worth a look; arguably the best song in the band's post-Lake library. If you feel absolutely compelled to purchase another King Crimson album, yeah, Red should probably be the one.

Parish
09-02-2012, 08:30 AM
One More Red Nightmare from Red is also worth a look; arguably the best song in the band's post-Lake library.

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taosterman
09-02-2012, 10:18 AM
Gee, In the Court of the Crimson King and Red have such different sounds (not to mention mostly different lineups) that it's hard to make a direct comparison between the two. But if I had to choose I'd probably go with the former over that latter. (But Red is a much more consistent album.)

It's hard to compare directly between them yeah, they're essentially different bands. But in purely mathematical terms, Red has nothing close to as pointless as "Moonchild."

Also Sir Sly Ry: The band's '80s albums are worth hearing as well, but they're a lot more sterile, and for that reason this is a rare case where I'd choose a live album (Absent Lovers) as the definitive representation of the material.

Sir Sly Ry
09-02-2012, 10:47 AM
Checking out Red right now. First track is cool. Second track has atrocious vocals. Hmm. We'll see what happens.

edit: Third track is suffering from the same problem. Cool music, but the vocals just suck. Guy has no style, doesn't have a good voice, it just sounds like he's hacking his way through it. Maybe I'm being harsh but the vocals are not making a good impression on me, at all.

MCBanjoMike
09-02-2012, 12:21 PM
Yeah, I can't claim to have enjoyed Red very much, and the awful (awful!) vocals are a big part of that. The first track is OK, in that it sounds like a Final Fantasy villain's theme brought to life, but that's pretty much the only track on the album that I like.

Zodar
09-02-2012, 12:40 PM
Starless is one of the best tracks in their whole discography, but Red is otherwise kinda spotty (Fallen Angel and Providence, oh no oh no). Discipline is still my favorite KC album, even if (and probably because) it sounds more like a sister to Remain in Light than a King Crimson album

ArugulaZ
09-02-2012, 05:08 PM
Fallen Angel is not fantastic, yeah. However, I'm still standing by One More Red Nightmare, no matter how many Pokemon references you throw at me!

Frankly, I've never really understood KC's sterling reputation. I suppose the band got it through tenure... it was one of the founding fathers of progressive rock, although it's since been eclipsed by a dozen other groups. There's just not enough consistency between albums... it's like they hired a completely different team of musicians for each one! (I know, I know... they pretty much did. That's my point!)

So... Italian progressive rock. Any opinions on that? For me, it's been an acquired taste.

taosterman
09-02-2012, 05:21 PM
I had to fire up Fallen Angel again to remind myself of what Wetton sounded like. Pfft, all y'alls are wusses. As if any prog rock band besides ELP and Genesis has a good vocalist.

Meditative_Zebra
09-02-2012, 06:26 PM
Cool music, but the vocals just suck. Guy has no style, doesn't have a good voice, it just sounds like he's hacking his way through it. Maybe I'm being harsh but the vocals are not making a good impression on me, at all.

Awww, John Wetton is sad now. =( But yeah, I can agree with the sentiment that his singing is spotty.

P.S. It's kind of amusing that John Wetton is probably mostly known now for In the Heat of the Moment (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vhE0Jm81w40) (which was used in which is not terribly representative of the rest of his career.

Soren Highwind
09-02-2012, 06:29 PM
I had to fire up Fallen Angel again to remind myself of what Wetton sounded like. Pfft, all y'alls are wusses. As if any prog rock band besides ELP and Genesis has a good vocalist.

What, Yes (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uJM7TdshUbw) doesn't count?

ArugulaZ
09-03-2012, 02:00 AM
Awww, John Wetton is sad now. =( But yeah, I can agree with the sentiment that his singing is spotty.

P.S. It's kind of amusing that John Wetton is probably mostly known now for In the Heat of the Moment (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vhE0Jm81w40) (which was used in which is not terribly representative of the rest of his career.

That's him in ASIA? Huh. I think he works better in that band's more bombastic, radio-friendly style, in all honesty.

I grew to dislike ASIA after listening to so much hardcore prog, but after you listen to too much of it, you start to see the charm of a group with more modest aspirations. I'm not going to say that the music is more honest, but it doesn't weigh quite so heavily on the tongue. It's poppy and insubstantial, but sometimes that's exactly what you want. It's the same reason I like both the pre and post-Gabriel versions of Genesis.

Posaune
09-03-2012, 02:20 AM
For some reason the singing on Red doesn't bug me.. I guess there's something wrong with me?

Abominable K
09-03-2012, 07:40 AM
I'm fine with the singing as well, and really like Fallen Angel. Providence is as bad as the second half of Moonchild though.

Parish
09-03-2012, 09:13 AM
Well this thread went to a dark place in a hurry.

taosterman
09-03-2012, 10:16 AM
Well this thread went to a dark place in a hurry.

I'm a bit confused. Not a fan of '70s Crimson?

Sir Sly Ry
09-03-2012, 11:28 AM
Well this thread went to a dark place in a hurry.
I'm a bit confused.

So part of me is wondering if I should get "Red" despite the vocals. Or maybe try one that came before it.

Mint
09-03-2012, 12:21 PM
Discipline is still my favorite KC album

Agreed

Zodar
09-03-2012, 02:28 PM
Fallen Angel is not fantastic, yeah. However, I'm still standing by One More Red Nightmare, no matter how many Pokemon references you throw at me!

Can't believe I forgot that one!! F'real, what a great track. Paranoia in song form.

Cool lifehack: if you're ever having a panic attack, listen to Red Nightmare, Indiscipline, and Lark's Tongues in Aspic pt. I. This will make it even worse

Posaune
09-04-2012, 03:49 AM
Is Thela Hun Ginjeet fun or dumb?

I guess most rock and roll kind of fits into this question.


Man, I wish Absent Lovers was an amazon download.

MCBanjoMike
09-04-2012, 11:15 AM
Is Thela Hun Ginjeet fun or dumb?

I guess most prog rock is both.

Healy
09-16-2012, 07:38 PM
So I listened to The Lamb Lies Down on Broadway yesterday. It was really good! Shockingly poppy for a prog album, too. Stand-out tracks for me would have to be the title track, Cuckoo Cocoon, Carpet Crawlers, and Counting Out Time. My absolute favorite part, though, was the very last song, It, which reminded me very much of the end of All-Star Superman, where Lex Luthor learns that the secret of existence is that we're all in this together, man. As an aside, that last sentence just might be the nerdiest I've ever written.

taosterman
09-16-2012, 09:04 PM
You should check out the following album A Trick of the Tail as well. It's the first Phil Collins-fronted album but it also does a great job straddling the pop-prog divide.

Pheeel
09-17-2012, 12:40 PM
If anyone's at all interested in some recent prog-shaped happenings, you could do worse than check out Knifeworld. These guys are so prog, they even have a bassoonist as part of their regular line-up. Here's a track I've really been digging lately, from their "Dear Lord No Deal" EP released last year.

HMS Washout (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u29LB6XC9t4)

Here's a more recent track, which is more pop hooky but still with a distinctly prog flavour:

Clairvoyant Fortnight (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DaCJHoN_FZE)

wumpwoast
09-21-2012, 02:07 PM
Prog and chiptunes (http://www.ubiktune.org/releases/ubi041-virt-fx4) by the guy that wrote the Shantae GBC sountrack, among many others. I suspect folks will be interested.

If I'm wrong I'll devise a full-handed Chinese finger trap and never post anything coherent on Talking Time again.

taosterman
10-03-2012, 02:40 PM
Camel's Breathless: DISCO PROG! So this is their best album, right?

Parish
10-04-2012, 07:58 AM
Camel's Breathless: DISCO PROG! So this is their best album, right?

Yes. Echoes is great as well, barring a couple of dud tracks. I highly recommend their live albums, too -- all the good stuff without the twiddly filler tunes.

Parish
10-04-2012, 08:05 AM
Sorry, brain fart. Got their album titles mixed up. Echoes is a collection and a song on Breathless. Their best album is Rain Dances, which is great from start to finish. The Snow Goose is also good! And of course the live albums.

taosterman
12-11-2012, 12:15 PM
Yes to play The Yes Album, Close to the Edge and Going for the One on their upcoming tour (http://www.avclub.com/articles/yes-will-play-three-full-albums-live-at-each-show,89696/)

I'm glad the AV Club assigned some snide hipster to write the story.

Parish
12-11-2012, 12:25 PM
Wow, what a douche.

I wish the band were playing something from their latest album, though. It kills me that they put together a genuinely excellent record and then ignore it in favor of 40-year-old albums. Geezus.

I think I'll try to see them, though. Probably the last chance I have before they start retiring/dying/whatever :(

MCBanjoMike
12-11-2012, 01:19 PM
Holy crap, those guys are old. Definitely old enough to know better than to keep their hair that long, anyway.

ghosttaster
12-12-2012, 07:24 AM
Yes to play The Yes Album, Close to the Edge and Going for the One on their upcoming tour (http://www.avclub.com/articles/yes-will-play-three-full-albums-live-at-each-show,89696/)

I'm glad the AV Club assigned some snide hipster to write the story.

I'm not lauding the writing or anything, but I dunno if "snide hipster" really fits the style of this story. Yes has been THE quintessential wanky dinosaur-rock band for decades now- I feel like if you've gotta add flavor to a minor tour announcement bit like this one you might as well just play on it.

taosterman
12-12-2012, 09:00 AM
Yea hipster is a pretty easy word to use. It's just the prog fan inferiority complex speaking.

boyonion
12-27-2012, 04:40 PM
You all need to give a listen to Beardfish. Consistent rock-solid output for the last 5 or 6 years. The last two albums have a bit more edge to them, but are still absolutely in the prog vein. If you're a fan of Yes, Genesis, Gentle Giant, KC, etc. give Beardfish a listen. You might be pleasantly surprised.

Best song title (and my song of the last two years): And the Stone Said, "If I Could Speak"

T-Brew
01-02-2013, 10:57 PM
Yea hipster is a pretty easy word to use. It's just the prog fan inferiority complex speaking.

relevant to hipsters and prog rock... (http://vimeo.com/14328735)

¡HarlequinPanic!
01-03-2013, 12:56 PM
Been giving a re-listen to "Wind & Wuthering" lately, I did love this album a lot and listened to it a ton when I was wrapping up college a few years back. Hadn't thought of it since, but I think I've cooled on it a lot. Tony Banks is all over the place on this album, even MORE than he was on selling england by the pound (though maybe, just maybe on a good day I might think one for the vine is the best thing he's ever done). You can tell Phil and Rutherford by this point have prooobably largely mentally checked out from the expansive prog songs that they did previous, and Mike doesn't even sound close to filling the gap that Hackett's impending departure is about to leave (though he steps up by the time Duke comes along). There's flashes of brilliance all over, blood on the rooftops is probably the best on the album, and I have a soft spot for all in a mouse's night, but this just sounds scatter shot.

I still think that pound for pound, "A Trick Of The Tail" is the best Genesis album (then Foxtrot, then Duke or Nursery Cryme, for anyone who's keeping score), so I generally did really like this lineup. But I guess its pretty evident with this album that it wasn't long for this world.

Good lord does that Rutherford song stand out like a sore fucking thumb.

taosterman
01-03-2013, 01:46 PM
I always liked Wind & Wuthering too. The old online music community I was part of had a serious lemming complex about opinions, so it was randomly, near-unanimously treated as one of their worst albums, and I never really understood why. There's some seriously beautiful music on there, even if Trick outclasses it in creativity.

Parish
01-03-2013, 02:22 PM
Weird, I listened to Wind & Wuthering for the first time in ages yesterday. It has two brilliant tracks to open it and two brilliant tracks to close it (assuming you consider the final suite one piece), but I kind of hate everything in between. Definitely the greatest extremes of good and bad on one album in the Genesis catalog, but also not their worst project.

Reinforcements
01-18-2013, 12:53 PM
So say I don't own any Yes music but I really like "I've Seen All Good People" and "Roundabout". What should I buy?

Zodar
01-18-2013, 01:01 PM
Fragile.

People will also suggest Close to the Edge, but for some reason I can't stand like 3/4ths of Close to the Edge. Too noodly

ArugulaZ
01-24-2013, 11:00 PM
I'm listening to Renaissance right now. Everybody should be listening to Renaissance right now. After hearing the first track of Scheherazade and Other Stories, I immediately downloaded three more of their albums. There was a song on Steve Howe's self-titled album, Look Over Your Shoulder, with vocals from an Irish female singer... Renaissance is like that, but distilled into a more potent form.

taosterman
01-24-2013, 11:07 PM
I dig Ashes Are Burning but never got around to delving deeper. Perhaps your post will serve as the proper impetus.

boyonion
02-12-2013, 05:27 PM
Steven Wilson is about to release his newest solo disc, The Raven that Refused to Sing (and Other Stories). A live track is up on Youtube (professionally produced, mind you) and it's faaaaabulous and so is the rest of the album.

The Raider Dr. Jones
03-27-2013, 06:08 PM
a pal of mine apparently found this 1977-vintage belt buckle whilst out antiquing today.

http://i.imgur.com/80dD6zu.jpg

T-Brew
03-27-2013, 09:42 PM
You photographed it on the perfect table.

Soren Highwind
04-10-2013, 05:10 PM
Any of y'all ever hear of Crucis? I kinda just stumbled upon them by accident a few days ago, myself. They were an Argentinian prog rock band that was active for a few years in the seventies; they only ever made two albums, but hot damn there's some good shit to be found on them. For instance:

Determinados Espejos (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jtvrZcDa_dg)
Pollo Frito (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jpL_pxow48Y)
Recluso Artista (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZVRvYOCh5Vs)
No me separen de mí (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wHY9y9PJHXk)

You can find all their songs on this dude's YouTube channel (http://www.youtube.com/user/maxichalba?feature=watch); there's only eleven of them, so if you have any free time I recommend you give them a whirl. You might be surprised!

taosterman
06-27-2013, 09:48 AM
Been listening to a bunch of Genesis lately so I updated my avatar in kind. Supper's Ready really is magnificent the whole way through.

callmejeed
06-27-2013, 01:16 PM
I need to listen to more Yes. Also that there is a whole prog rock thread makes me ecstatic, because prog rock is best rock, probably. I mean whatever we want to call The Who is pretty damn good too.

Anyway, I've (relatively) recently discovered King Crimson, who hate me and have made none of their shit available in digital formats, so I've only been listening to them on Youtube.

I think we might count Shibboleth as prog, they're pretty cool and I think most of their stuff is on their website for free. therhythmisodd is another proggy (mostly) instrumental group that I need to listen to more.

There's so much good prog! I don't have time for it all! At least this thread is shorter than the metal thread, so I can probably make time to read it all (though I probably won't).

T-Brew
08-03-2013, 10:49 PM
I just stumbled upon a pretty rad site: the prog archives (http://www.progarchives.com/Progressive-rock.asp). It brings to light a lot of bands, particularly from Italy and Spain, of which you may have never heard.

On that note:

If you're the sort of gent or lass who collects LPs, I highly recommend picking up the reissue of Italian psych-master Franco Falsini's "Music is Painting in the Air." It's an hour and a half of beautiful, liberating music.

Here is one of the more easygoing tracks: http://youtu.be/Xzy90-v0lf8
Here is one of the nastier tracks: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lEtyFth0F3Y

mr_bungle700
08-04-2013, 06:40 AM
I just stumbled upon a pretty rad site: the prog archives (http://www.progarchives.com/Progressive-rock.asp). It brings to light a lot of bands, particularly from Italy and Spain, of which you may have never heard.

I've come across this site a bunch of times while researching Japanese prog bands. It really is an impressive archive.

ArugulaZ
08-04-2013, 07:54 AM
A really good way to build up your progressive rock library is to check out their list of one hundred best albums, and pick up all the ones you don't already have.

T-Brew
08-05-2013, 07:35 PM
Holy shit. A brand-ass new prog duo called Westerbur & Rowe released a boner-inducing ten-inch EP/penis. Their LP only had 100 copies printed, so they put it up or download for free on their website. Keyboards, drums, and hot, sexy tunes. (http://www.northernashram.com/2012/03/06/westerbur-rowe-lp-2011/)

¡HarlequinPanic!
08-28-2013, 07:53 AM
So Steve Hackett's gonna be in town doing his Genesis Revisited stuff next month. Anyone know if the show is any good? I got the albums and eh, it was nice but I was kind of hoping the revisit would be less of a slavish recreation and more a reimagining. Especially since some of the vocalists really don't work.

taosterman
09-13-2013, 11:21 AM
A new challenger appears: WILLIAM SHATNER (http://consequenceofsound.net/2013/09/william-shatners-new-prog-rock-concept-album-is-here/)

spineshark
09-13-2013, 12:35 PM
Tags: William Shatner, Yes
obviously I know that's the name of the band but it's soooooo appropriate

taosterman
09-24-2013, 08:33 PM
Crimson is back, yet again. (http://somethingelsereviews.com/2013/09/24/king-crimson-is-in-motion-robert-fripp-aims-to-restart-his-legendary-prog-rock-band/) This time with three drummers, because y'know, why not.

ArugulaZ
03-14-2014, 01:19 PM
The kid from Circus of Heaven is an annoying little punk. So I take you to this grand carnival of wonders and all you can say in response is "but there were no clowns?" Who the hell wants those?! You should be glad I didn't take you to that other traveling show with the single blade of grass and the uppity computer.

taosterman
09-12-2014, 07:39 AM
Dare I drop $120 plus transportation to see the current King Crimson tour in Chicago? Could be one of my last chances, and apparently this one's a behemoth, even by Crimson standards.