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Comb Stranger
07-10-2012, 12:02 PM
So here's a question: What would it take to get you to buy a newspaper? Printed or digital. And this totally isn't for a marketing project for a newspaper.

Sanagi
07-10-2012, 12:48 PM
I'd like the paper if it was less about news and more about connecting with the community. More about upcoming local events, bigger/better classified ads, that kind of thing. A paper can tell me about important things happening nearby, which is a service I can't easily get from the internet.

Maybe more important than that, though: A comics section that doesn't suck.

Brickroad
07-10-2012, 12:50 PM
Probably nothing, with all due apologies to Mazo and McC. The time of the newspaper is over.

Falselogic
07-10-2012, 12:53 PM
Probably nothing, with all due apologies to Mazo and McC. The time of the newspaper is over.

You forgot Sarcasmorator!

shivam
07-10-2012, 12:56 PM
i read the paper daily, and have every day for the past 20 years. even in japan i subscribed to a daily. I will continue to do so until there is no daily left.

Comb Stranger
07-10-2012, 12:59 PM
i read the paper daily, and have every day for the past 20 years. even in japan i subscribed to a daily. I will continue to do so until there is no daily left.

In that case, why do you read it, and what would you improve?

Mogri
07-10-2012, 01:01 PM
Maybe more important than that, though: A comics section that doesn't suck.

Impossible; the syndicates have a stranglehold on it and aren't going to publish anything that's not 100% marketable.

Sprite
07-10-2012, 01:07 PM
Sadly, having a comic section at all is getting pretty rare. As much as I love webcomics, I lament the fact that we'll never have another Calvin and Hobbes, or any comic which connects with a huge cross-section of people throughout the country. I used to talk about comic strips at every family get-together, and with just about everyone I knew. That time is gone.

McClain
07-10-2012, 01:31 PM
I'm very much looking forward to not working for a newspaper so I can start enjoying reading it again. For my money nothing is better than a cup of coffee and the sports section in the morning. I also briefly started doing the daily crossword when I was laid off a couple summers again.

I'm also a coupon clipper. I think the paper pays for itself that way, and I'm not at all crazy about it. I just clip ones for stuff I know I like or want to try.

Karzac
07-10-2012, 01:42 PM
I read the paper, but I would like for it to fewer giant spreads of pictures with a tiny little article at the bottom. If I want giant, hi-res photos, I'll go online. I read the paper for news and analysis.

McClain
07-10-2012, 02:01 PM
It sounds like a lot of you are in areas where the papers are still doing things like we did them ten years ago.

Odin
07-10-2012, 02:59 PM
I subscribed to the Sunday paper for a while. The comics still sucked by they were in color and brought back childhood memories. I got some good local news stories, including editorial comment and columnists targeting local issues. There was also some national commentary, but from what I can tell most newspaper journalism is biased heavily towards one political view or the other with very little middle ground or rational dialogue. One newspaper is not going to give me the opportunity to assemble a relatively unbiased view of American politics or policy. And in my local newspapers here, International news is a joke, and that is something I care about.

I would read a daily newspaper if I felt I had the time to read it, and if throughout the week I got a variety of opinions and commentary to stimulate my mind and expand my view of the world. I get that through a variety of websites online when I have the time to read. The digital format allows me to get to the articles when I can without having to pile up newsprint.

shivam
07-10-2012, 05:51 PM
In that case, why do you read it, and what would you improve?

Local content. I love columns that spotlight local flavor, features pieces, restaurant reviews from professionals and food columns, local sports, and the editorial pages.

Which is to say, everything that the internet doesn't have.

Even things like book and movie reviews, because i love the writers in my local area.

CNN and Google News aren't gonna tell me what is happening in city hall, but my newspaper will.

McClain
07-10-2012, 06:03 PM
CNN and Google News aren't gonna tell me what is happening in city hall, but my newspaper will.

This a thousand times! When people ask what the point of newspapers are today I always point to local news and politics.

Grignr
07-10-2012, 06:14 PM
CNN and Google News aren't gonna tell me what is happening in city hall, but my newspaper will.

Did you guys hear the Journatic story on This American Life (http://www.thisamericanlife.org/radio-archives/episode/468/switcheroo?act=2)? I was happy supporting my dying local paper until I heard this. Even after they fired their movie reviewers, book reviewer, and restaurant critic. At least they still had local news... or so I thought.

fugu13
07-10-2012, 06:17 PM
Locally in Seattle, I can get far better and more up to date news online.

Internationally, there're still a lot of barriers to quality news. As far as newspapers go, my main paper is the Financial Times. I also appreciate the Wall Street Journal and Christian Science Monitor. The New York Times is okay, though I mostly let people prefilter it for me, as it's gone downhill.

shivam
07-10-2012, 06:24 PM
yeah, the best local news in the SF area is sfgate.com, which is the online arm of the best local daily, the sf chronicle. I'll take my paper over the website any day.

Dizzy
07-10-2012, 06:27 PM
So here's a question: What would it take to get you to buy a newspaper? Printed or digital. And this totally isn't for a marketing project for a newspaper.

Why do you care?

McClain
07-10-2012, 06:43 PM
Did you guys hear the Journatic story on This American Life (http://www.thisamericanlife.org/radio-archives/episode/468/switcheroo?act=2)?

The second act of the most recent This American Life is literally making me nauseous. (http://www.thisamericanlife.org/radio-archives/episode/468/switcheroo)

Yeah, it got my attention ...

Violentvixen
07-11-2012, 12:02 AM
Local events and stories. I always pick up the weekly local paper that lists everything going on in town and often has major event guides. But I have only bought the actual daily paper once in all the years I've lived here (I thought there might be a picture of me from a race), it seems like most of it is just AP feeds and as noted above there's weird political tones to a lot of papers (including mine!).

Karzac
07-11-2012, 07:51 AM
The local news thing doesn't come into play as much for me, since I live in Toronto, the centre of the universe. But I still read local news in the paper, even though i could get it online.

Derra
07-11-2012, 09:50 AM
I subscribe to a newspaper because I value and want to help subsidize timely, accurate and meaningful information. Without good information I cannot make good decisions and cannot be an ethical, moral individual. It is the same reason that, when I got my first high school job, I made a pledge to my local public radio station.

Sure, newspapers aren't perfect but they blow the hell outta cable news, talk radio and yahoo.com or whatever.

Wolfgang
07-11-2012, 10:56 AM
Why Would You Read A Newspaper?

That's a very, very good question.

A very good question. Why would you?

I see newspapers as something akin to phone books at this point: wasteful and possibly irresponsible, especially in NYC. When I need to look up things that are happening locally there are any number of websites I can check, or televised newscasts. It'll be good when the population has been weaned off paper and every person can knowledgeably navigate electronic news sources.

shivam
07-11-2012, 11:07 AM
That's a very, very good question.

A very good question. Why would you?

I see newspapers as something akin to phone books at this point: wasteful and possibly irresponsible, especially in NYC. When I need to look up things that are happening locally there are any number of websites I can check, or televised newscasts. It'll be good when the population has been weaned off paper and every person can knowledgeably navigate electronic news sources.

until electronic news sources can cover all of the features and local interest stories and local politics at the same level of detail as my paper, no thanks.

christoffing
07-11-2012, 11:14 AM
While I don't subscribe I try to read the papers (local and national) any chance I get, at work, at school or at the library.

I think they're more suited to reading longer articles, and I think the structure is better for making even small news and notices catch my eye. On a website I tend to click on the big bold stuff and miss out on a lot of smaller news.

Wolfgang
07-11-2012, 11:49 AM
until electronic news sources can cover all of the features and local interest stories and local politics at the same level of detail as my paper, no thanks.

When I want that stuff I usually check out the weeklies, like the Village Voice, PW in Philly or the Phoenix in Boston. They tend to be most relevant to my interests and views, and each have a very comprehensive website*. I'm sure they have one or more such publications in SF? Then again, how you obtain info is none of my business.

*See also: New York Times

Red Silvers
07-11-2012, 12:39 PM
When I didn't have internet, I read USA today.

I tended to like the Life section most, so...

McClain
07-11-2012, 12:45 PM
RE: Newspaper websites: They don't pay the bills yet. They won't exist without the print product.

BŁge
07-11-2012, 01:31 PM
There USED to be a paper I could read here, with local news and event listings. It was free. Now it's gone. :T

Daikaiju
07-13-2012, 05:15 AM
Since the decline of the comics section I haven't really bothered that much with print news. As others have said, too often the focus is skewed politically or whatever's trending. Mind you, that arguement could be made about a lot of news sources, digital or otherwise. The Philadelphia Inquirer's Food section is still decent though.

Red Hedgehog
07-14-2012, 08:52 PM
I see newspapers as something akin to phone books at this point: wasteful and possibly irresponsible, especially in NYC.

I might be inclined to say only in NYC. Everywhere else I've lived the online options for local news, politics, and events were fairly abysmal except perhaps on the newspaper's website.

taosterman
07-14-2012, 10:02 PM
I haven't put my two cents in yet because the only answer I can muster is "to save my friends' jobs."

Lady
07-15-2012, 01:48 PM
Couple of days ago, I was thinking 'it would be cool if you could get like one person to make a round-up of different subjects, like a review of different novels, or a collection of the latest stuff in tech' and then I stopped and looked myself in the eye (there was a mirror) and went 'duh'

So now I'm wondering why I don't care about newspapers that supposedly do just this?
I guess maybe because I assume that the people doing the feature pieces cherry pick a particular product or model they are into, instead of starting with a wide range?

for papers in general: I think it is the cost I can't get behind.

in college, I liked reading the local paper and getting a feel for things in the community. Out here, I don't even know what the locals are...

one thing I'd like from newspapers is to be able to get my updates on politics from them. But it's always like coming in media res, where I have no idea what the current landscape is, how it got that way, and if there's anything I should/can do about it. It wouldn't be very easy to do in print, but with web versions of newspaper, it would be really handy to have a primer going a long way to explain the background (esp if there are hyperlinks to previous articles on the same subject, or if you don't have the resources to scribble out words, a link to a relevant wikipedia article (don't shoot me))


i don't know

Wolfgang
07-15-2012, 05:36 PM
I might be inclined to say only in NYC. Everywhere else I've lived the online options for local news, politics, and events were fairly abysmal except perhaps on the newspaper's website.

Well, then you've got copies of Metro that gunk up Philly and Boston... especially Philly where free daily/weekly pages merge with discarded chip bags and weave-hair to become urban tumbleweeds. Maybe smaller towns and suburban areas are still served by physical copies of newspapers (but then again not really because those are still having massive difficulty surviving). But urban ares should probably start letting them die off, already.

Unpopular-On-TT Wolfgang Opinion #452

chady
07-15-2012, 06:00 PM
I work for a newspaper, and the only time I ever buy/read printed news is when I'm traveling or in a hotel.

I would gladly pay for a digital subscription to access our newspaper's website, if I had to (maybe even with a nice little iPad app that made things are pretty to look at and read). But I don't have to, so I don't.

The bitter, angry journalist in me is sort of excited for all of the newspapers to die out and then have everyone realize that a lot of the news they read online is also gone. But as a citizen and member of society that same idea is scary.

Dizzy
07-15-2012, 06:52 PM
I wonder when I'm going to get an answer.

McClain
07-15-2012, 06:57 PM
Today I got to enjoy reading the Sunday paper for the first time in more than a decade. It was awesome, you guys.

Wolfgang
07-15-2012, 09:20 PM
I wonder when I'm going to get an answer.

He's writing an article for the paper.

Comb Stranger
07-15-2012, 09:47 PM
I wonder when I'm going to get an answer.

Why do you care why I care?

Check.

Mate.

Dizzy
07-16-2012, 04:24 AM
Because I'd like to know.

pence
07-16-2012, 09:44 AM
Well, then you've got copies of Metro that gunk up Philly and Boston...

There's something entertaining about reading the ads for escort services.

Red Hedgehog
07-16-2012, 10:19 PM
Well, then you've got copies of Metro that gunk up Philly and Boston... especially Philly where free daily/weekly pages merge with discarded chip bags and weave-hair to become urban tumbleweeds. Maybe smaller towns and suburban areas are still served by physical copies of newspapers (but then again not really because those are still having massive difficulty surviving). But urban ares should probably start letting them die off, already.

I'd like to respond to this, but I honestly have no idea what it means. I mean, yes, free daily papers are generally crap - but I wasn't aware of anyone who was arguing in their favor.

Anyway, I think people are actually answering two different questions in this thread: There's Comb Stranger's question of what it would take to get you to read a newspaper whether online or in print. And there's a question others have answered about what it would take to get them to read a physical paper instead of a digital one.

My point earlier is that New York is the only city I've lived in where I could get my fill of local events, politics, and news from a source other than a newspaper (dead tree or online). And even then, the New York Times is better than just about anything else I could find so I still read that.

Wolfgang
07-19-2012, 10:04 PM
I'd like to respond to this, but I honestly have no idea what it means.

It means he gets results, you stupid chief!

It means that cities are choked by waste paper that doesn't need to exist.

Excitemike
07-20-2012, 07:23 AM
http://excitemike.net/eye_robot/littleweiner.jpg

Red Hedgehog
07-20-2012, 10:54 AM
NEW YORK POST

If I ever need something to line my bird cage, I know I need look no further than the Post.

McClain
07-20-2012, 12:03 PM
The Post is hilarious. Trash, yes, but real newspaper headline writers sometimes envy the Post for being able to just write crazy shit they could never get away with.

Excitemike
07-20-2012, 12:47 PM
The Post is hilarious. Trash, yes, but real newspaper headline writers sometimes envy the Post for being able to just write crazy shit they could never get away with.

The Weiner scandal was great, three weeks of being greeted with dick jokes when I get my coffee.

If I ever need something to line my bird cage, I know I need look no further than the Post.

That's animal cruelty.

dussssstin
07-24-2012, 09:31 AM
I'd like the paper if it was less about news and more about connecting with the community. More about upcoming local events, bigger/better classified ads, that kind of thing. A paper can tell me about important things happening nearby, which is a service I can't easily get from the internet.


And that's why local papers can continue to run. People are always going to want to see their kid in the paper.

TE-Ryan
07-26-2012, 11:07 AM
While I'm not morally opposed to the newspaper or anything, I don't think there's anything specific that would make me want to buy one. Sometimes I'll read an article if there's an interesting headline or hook on the cover. Most of the time I just read the movie reviews, laugh at the game "reviews" and maybe (try to) do the crossword and sudoku.

Also I don't know if it's a common thing, but most if not all of the paper boxes in my city are free. You only have to pay if you want it delivered or are getting it at a store.

ThornGhost
07-26-2012, 12:38 PM
I would read a newspaper if I knew it was being written and edited by smart and objective people in a smart and objective way.

You know what I'm over? Social news. It's a failed and terrible idea. One only needs to look at Reddit or the charred remains of Digg to see that "the crowd" is really terrible at selecting worthwhile news. The social news public, as a whole, continue to be dumb, reactionary and awed by sensationalist headlines. They do not produce a selection of worthy content.

The loss of the editor (and before that, the loss of the strong editor) has hurt us in more ways than we realize. "News" today often goes no farther than lining up two opposing viewpoints and letting them yell at each other without offering a single word of editing or opinion from the "journalist". Is someone lying? Call them on it. Is someone correct? SAY THAT

Earn my damned respect and I'll read your product no matter how you serve it to me.

McClain
07-26-2012, 01:10 PM
I would read a newspaper if I knew it was being written and edited by smart and objective people in a smart and objective way.

You know what I'm over? Social news. It's a failed and terrible idea. One only needs to look at Reddit or the charred remains of Digg to see that "the crowd" is really terrible at selecting worthwhile news. The social news public, as a whole, continue to be dumb, reactionary and awed by sensationalist headlines. They do not produce a selection of worthy content.

The loss of the editor (and before that, the loss of the strong editor) has hurt us in more ways than we realize. "News" today often goes no farther than lining up two opposing viewpoints and letting them yell at each other without offering a single word of editing or opinion from the "journalist". Is someone lying? Call them on it. Is someone correct? SAY THAT

Earn my damned respect and I'll read your product no matter how you serve it to me.

Most of this does not apply to the average printed newspaper. Crap on the website or Facebook page, or even the editorial page, maybe. But straight news is usually a bit better than social media chatter.

Odin
07-28-2012, 08:01 PM
Most of this does not apply to the average printed newspaper. Crap on the website or Facebook page, or even the editorial page, maybe. But straight news is usually a bit better than social media chatter.

Can you show me some examples of this? My local newspaper sounds a lot more like ThornGhost's opinionated rant than I'd like to think about.

Excitemike
11-10-2012, 09:28 AM
http://excitemike.net/eye_robot/stayclassypost121110.gif

Dizzy
11-10-2012, 10:21 AM
The New York Post is the only honest newspaper printing today.

Healy
11-10-2012, 11:52 AM
Not gonna lie to you, I would subscribe to a newspaper that made awful puns like that all the time.

Excitemike
11-10-2012, 12:11 PM
Not gonna lie to you, I would subscribe to a newspaper that made awful puns like that all the time.

The Anthony Wiener thing was great, three weeks of dick jokes.

Red Hedgehog
11-10-2012, 01:04 PM
The Anthony Wiener thing was great, three weeks of dick jokes.

Truly, Anthony Weiner was the Post's shining achievement.

(I would totally work for the Post if I could be the guy who came up with the front page and back page sports headlines)

Excitemike
10-01-2013, 09:54 AM
http://excitemike.net/eye_robot/turds.jpg

Sarcasmorator
10-01-2013, 10:23 AM
NYDN publishes some real crap but I truly envy its headline writers their freedom.

Issun
10-05-2013, 07:07 PM
I wish I had time to read a newspaper every day. I have a NYT app on my computer, and given my druthers I'd read it and the Seattle Times daily. And say what you want, the Grey Lady is still the gold standard in journalism.

Wait, no, there are three papers I want to read, except Al Jazeera doesn't have a format in print or online like that and I wish they would because trying to navigate a site for all the relevant news is an exercise in futility.