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Dizzy
09-16-2011, 03:57 AM
GAME HERE

http://forumageddon.proboards.com/index.cgi


IT'S HERE


03:05 Diz do you think we can have a TT vs. Bronto mafia?
03:05 Guild oh man
03:05 Guild we should elect GMs
03:05 Diz it may have to be anonymous though
03:05 Guild from both forums
03:05 Guild and have them dual run it
03:05 Diz so nobody knows who is TT or Bronto
03:05 Guild nah fuck that let's make it dirty
03:05 Diz I feel serious about developing this project
03:05 Guild i feel also serious
03:05 Guild Diz
03:05 Guild should we do this
03:05 Diz ok
03:06 Diz But I want it to be anonymous! I want it!
03:06 Guild ok
03:06 Diz stomps feet
03:06 Guild anon it is
03:06 Guild i just
03:06 Diz I'm thinking: a separate forum, TT and Bronto are mixed into several factions, all anonymous
03:06 Guild went outside to smoke and RAN BACK
03:06 Guild yes
03:06 Diz amazing
03:06 Guild and also
03:06 Guild RANDOM ROLES from BOTH FORUMS
03:06 Guild so like
03:07 Guild you know how you guys have
03:07 Guild uh
03:07 Guild wizards or something
03:07 Guild and we have batman and simo belmo
03:07 Diz yes
03:07 Guild famous roles from games gone by
03:08 Diz Ok here is my idea for the factions. There will be (3): 1. TT 2. Bronto 3. TT/Bronto mix.
03:09 Diz All of them will be anonymous so they can't use either forum to root out IDs since it's supposed to be TT vs. Bronto (with one group working together if they can).
03:09 Diz Set up will be the perfect mixture of TT-style and Bronto-style mafia
03:09 Diz has a light bulb explode above his head
03:09 Diz It's so... BRILLIANT!
03:09 Diz HAHAHAHAHA.
03:10 Guild ok i'm in
03:10 Guild let's make a post-it and start hashing out roles
03:10 Diz Guild i'm going to test the waters by transcripting this to the mafia thread on TT
03:11 Diz i'm not ready to create just yet, i'm still in pre-production, brainstorming phase


05:15 TKFlash this two-man chat diz posted on TT is like the start of a gay porno


Talking Time vs. Brontoforumus (http://brontoforum.us/index.php?topic=6033.0) Mafia

Breaking developments!

Watch us rip off everyone's ideas here and slam them together into a horrific goulash (http://www.quicktopic.com/46/H/ghGL9WvDLWkz). (And here (http://pastebin.com/2Gzfnhd2).)

This game will not be for M15. This will be a game outside TT and Bronto.

We're looking for idea people who want to shape the game! So I can be proud to put my name on it and sell it for big bucks while you starve.


Vote here for what citizen roles from past TT games you want included in the Town faction roster. Nominations will be accepted.

Please also submit items from previous TT mafia games you want to see in this game.

You may also register but this game might not start for a while.

Posaune
09-16-2011, 04:58 AM
But what if you're too stupid to play Mafia?

Brickroad
09-16-2011, 05:13 AM
But what if you're too stupid to play Mafia?

That didn't stop Guild!



buuurrrn

Guild
09-16-2011, 05:20 AM
Brickroad you are on time OUT from me so DIZZY will send you PMs and such should you decide to play. >:[

Edit: Since Dizzy is also on time out, I'm going to employ my brother to run messages between the three of us.

Now don't talk to me again until you're off time out!

breakman
09-16-2011, 08:18 AM
Would the GM account be named GuilDizzy?

Destil
09-16-2011, 08:47 AM
Scanner - Inspector, if he reveals/claims he's automatically lynched the next day.

Drunk - Once per game can do one of the following: kill one person (learns faction), investigate one person (learns faction and role), prevent all night kills for one night (dies in everyone else's place), change their vote.

Wizard - Starts with a ring of warning, ring of free action, two scrolls of mail.

Dizzy
09-16-2011, 08:57 AM
Don't worry G-Man, I'm still committed to this!

Thanks for the input, Destil.

Adam
09-16-2011, 09:32 AM
In This Life - Dizzy will do anything to get a game of Anonymous Mafia off the ground.

Alpha Werewolf
09-16-2011, 09:48 AM
I'll nominate:
-Phoenix Wright from Mafia vs. Capcom (M8)
-Satan from Shin Mafia Tensei (M14) (just the killing power, but the night communications are cool as long as the other person has a similarly-powerful ability)
-Angel from Shin Mafia Tensei
-Suzaku from Shin Mafia Tensei, but allowing communication with any dead player instead of just the mafia-faction ones
-Secret Boss from Mafia vs. Capcom

Karzac
09-16-2011, 11:04 AM
There needs to be a Wizard and a Drunk. Those are easily our two most memorable roles.

Eddie
09-16-2011, 11:56 AM
There needs to be a Wizard and a Drunk. Those are easily our two most memorable roles.

I think there should be two Wizards, but one of them is completely powerless.

- Eddie

Guild
09-16-2011, 12:13 PM
Assuming my bro-ntos get onboard, this is going to be the action of a person who balls.

This is just a throw-out idea: I'd like to propose, for the sake of discussion and mostly as a way to distinguish this game from others, that we NOT have random role assignments. Under this proposal, the GMs will choose the most appropriate personalities for each role (or the opposite as seems fit), so for example, Lottel is very good as mafia, so I will make him mafia to make the game harder, but Friday is very good as town so I will make her an investigator so she has even more to work with than just her usual dead-on instincts. What do we think?

Guild
09-16-2011, 12:42 PM
eh, it still seems like a bad idea every third time i think about it so forget it

Nodal
09-16-2011, 12:48 PM
Yeah man, I loved having one Bronto last game so much that let's have an entire game of Brontos.

Guild
09-16-2011, 01:49 PM
Yeah man, I loved having one Bronto last game so much that let's have an entire game of Brontos.

You'd be in good company. They consider me SO BAD at this game they've made my badness at it into several games (http://brontoforum.us/index.php?topic=4709.0).

Dizzy
09-16-2011, 02:25 PM
Fellow TTers

I invite you submit items from previous TT mafia games you want to see in this game. Knock yourselves out!

Guild, I plan on completing the first draft for this game tonight. Prepare yourself.

Also your idea is bad. Everybody is randomly assigned.

Adam
09-16-2011, 02:30 PM
Cheeseburgers

Motherfuckers

Karzac
09-16-2011, 02:58 PM
Odorless Snoozebomb

Scroll of Mail

Alixsar
09-16-2011, 05:05 PM
For a second, I thought this was something cool. Then I saw it was about Mafia.

YOU DECEIVED ME DIZZY

Umby
09-16-2011, 05:25 PM
I MUST PLAY

And we must play a variant that the Brontoforumers would hate, such as a really simple game like The Thing that doesn't have crazy powers shooting all over the place all the time.

Karzac
09-16-2011, 06:07 PM
We should play a game with crazy powers and a Thing.

chady
09-17-2011, 01:03 AM
Mafia versus town versus Thing(s) kind of sounds like the best game ever.

Guild
09-17-2011, 01:44 AM
http://brontoforum.us/index.php?topic=6033.msg203255#msg203255

Alpha Werewolf
09-17-2011, 02:01 AM
The chaining wasn't from Mafia vs. Capcom, it was from Nich's Moblashed (M9), and the player just PM'd the GM to decide on who to empower.
EDIT: Usually, just the latest empowered player can empower somebody, to simulate the server-client chaining in Homestuck (the source material of M9)

Dizzy
09-17-2011, 10:29 AM
Sorry Guild! I promised to finalize this mess and I didn't!

Still, progress.

And I was thinking... a Thing faction? Maybe.

Anyways, I see on Brontos you've been sculpting away. Good job!

Guild
09-17-2011, 01:24 PM
I figure even if all I'm doing is adding to the fat then I'm still technically helping.

This latest version is a four faction game: mafia, brontos, secretboss/weretiger, town. Note the secret boss/weretiger win condition relies on any other win condition being fulfilled to activate. This makes the whole town more careful and makes it so even the mafia and monsters have to work together to eliminate them first. And they'll be very hard to catch.

By tradition, only the Rolechecker can tell if the Weretiger is the Weretiger or not. To all other investigations he appears innocent.

Dizzy
09-17-2011, 04:17 PM
Guild:

I updated the QuickTopic with edits of your draft from Brontos. Review/critique when you get a chance. I put in additions from what every TTer has suggested here. A response to Umby is in there as well.

Yeah, I am thinking of just grabbing as much crap now so we can pare it down and get it balanced right. Unless we just want to run a completely batshit game.

For a second, I thought this was something cool. Then I saw it was about Mafia.

YOU DECEIVED ME DIZZY

I like how the pit has resurrected and started some inter-forum crap too. I just wanted to start a friendly game of Mafia betwixt for'ms, not a G8 summit.

Guild
09-17-2011, 11:32 PM
Specifics on the Secret Boss: Weretiger Edition

After all other roles are already assigned, someone is upgraded to Weretiger. All prior abilities are added to the following powers:

The Weretiger appears innocent to all but the Roleblocker on odd nights and gets no kill. On even nights, the Weretiger appears innocent as long as he doesn't kill, but he can do so. The Weretiger wins if it's just him and one other player at dawn, or when nothing can prevent that from happening, OR he can win if he's alive and any other faction wins. If he's alive and another faction wins (such as the Town, by eliminating both Mafia), he wins INSTEAD of that faction and EVERYONE ELSE loses the game.

Even Dracula or the Roleblocker can be the Weretiger.

Dizzy
09-18-2011, 12:40 AM
UPDATED!

Game outline in the OP.

Yes, we ripped you off. All of you.

Adam
09-18-2011, 12:49 AM
Champagne too fancy for you? CHEESEBURGERS too fancy for you?

Guild
09-18-2011, 01:17 AM
Champagne too fancy for you? CHEESEBURGERS too fancy for you?

Not at all! Truth is, the LOOK HOW DIFFERENT YET THE SAME thing seems to be the flavor so I figured what the hey. I can just change it if it's too goofy/competitive. What are cheeseburgers in the context of mafia to this forum? Like how chao lawyer = extremists in M14?

2) There is no talking about this game outside of the game threads specifically denoted by your role PM as being yours to post in.

{...}

6. Communication

Each team with night chat will have a separate thread to play and talk in. In addition, the Beer Room will be a link sent to non-players who request it with links to each of those threads, so that observers can peruse the whole game at will and comment in the Beer Room thread.

We COULD do an 'everyone can talk to anyone' type game, but Diz says, and I agree, that it might be a little TOO over-the-top if we did. But it is something to consider and I'm sure a mutable part of the setup at this early stage.

Dizzy
09-18-2011, 01:30 AM
What are cheeseburgers in the context of mafia to this forum? Like how chao lawyer = extremists in M14?

Look at this thread (http://www.gamespite.net/talkingtime/showthread.php?t=10091).

It's our fourth mafia game.

Run a search for posts in the thread by Brickroad.

Then you'll get it.

Guild
09-18-2011, 02:44 AM
You are all on time out from Brickroad for being mean to him with photoshop!

After some heavy minor edits, here's the latest draft on my end. (http://brontoforum.us/index.php?topic=6033.msg203156#msg203156)

Yimothy
09-18-2011, 04:24 AM
I am interested in this game, but very confused by it. Will the monster faction all be Brontos, and the mafia all TTers? And then the town a mix of the two, but you only get stuff from whichever forum you come from?

Or are the factions thematically derived from one forum each, but made up of a mix of players from both?

Also I think it would be neat, but confusing, if the roles were named after players who have played them (like instead of town drunk, you have the town Kylie).

dwolfe
09-18-2011, 07:10 AM
After trimming the fat, I want the GM's to seriously go over the balance/numbers of a game like this. It may SOUND crazy fun but if it's broken out of the gate, it's going to be miserable.

That being said, I'm game.

Guild
09-18-2011, 10:58 AM
are the factions thematically derived from one forum each, but made up of a mix of players from both?

This.

I'll be crunching the setup with a RNG and with deliberate guidance to see how balanced it is. Basically running a best-and-worst-case for each team using random setups. It's how I generally playtest these. The thirty plus games I've run should give us all some confidence in this game, but just to be absolutely sure we're also going to have possibly Nich and definitely a couple of old GMs I know look the rules over.

Dizzy
09-18-2011, 12:20 PM
After trimming the fat, I want the GM's to seriously go over the balance/numbers of a game like this. It may SOUND crazy fun but if it's broken out of the gate, it's going to be miserable.

That being said, I'm game.

We're working on it, chief.

Guild
09-18-2011, 12:30 PM
Roll added to the Monsters: Devil - Counts as an inno for win condition calculation purposes. Has a night scry. Doesn't know who his teammates are to start, but joins their chat if he finds one.

dwolfe
09-19-2011, 05:24 PM
We're working on it, chief.

I'm not a Chief, I'm an LT!

eternaljwh
09-19-2011, 06:35 PM
Oh good they really do have color schema for the Red and Blue corners.

Alpha Werewolf
09-20-2011, 08:22 AM
I demand to see Parish Nemesis (http://www.gamespite.net/talkingtime/showpost.php?p=921879&postcount=462) somewhere in the game's flavour!

Guild
09-20-2011, 11:15 AM
Item added to TalkingHouse: Kamikaze Law School Degree - Daytime Item - Target: highest vote-haver - Usage: single use - Declare: in thread - Effect: the alignment of the top vote-haver is revealed, the votes are reset and the day is pushed back 24 hours, then the user dies. Only works on even days.

AlphaWerewolf: I'll put him in because that post made me giggle a bunch.

Dizzy
09-20-2011, 12:05 PM
Just in case you didn't see this in the QTopic: your attention and work is far surpassing what I can do right now. If you want to go ahead and complete this project without me, do so. I could provide soft edits here and there but I'm afraid RL has me tied up like a motherfucker.

Guild
09-20-2011, 03:02 PM
We've got lots of time. I'm not taking another step without you. :brofist:

Dizzy
09-20-2011, 03:07 PM
Yeah I don't plan on having this bitch completed until post-M-15.

Guild
09-20-2011, 03:09 PM
Fine by me! I'd also like to see another Thing-game.

The more of them I observe, the more I learn about mason conversion Thing mafia.

McClain
09-23-2011, 07:46 PM
I just noticed this thread so LttP but:

Cheeseburgers

Motherfuckers

YESSSS

EDIT:
Suzaku - Has the power Contract: once per game, may bargain with a dead player for use of their skill. The dead may specify terms of use, which must be followed on pain of death.

On one hand, I feel kind of awesome that my use of that power has sparked something of a legacy, but I'm going to be kinda sad any time I see someone else use it.

Issun
09-23-2011, 11:06 PM
For a second, I thought this was something cool. Then I saw it was about Mafia.

YOU DECEIVED ME DIZZY

Guild
09-25-2011, 12:41 PM
This game will begin taking signups next month and will be starting as late as late October.

Dizzy
10-15-2011, 12:16 AM
Signs-up begin today don't they?

Hey Guild, why don't we just scrap the whole fucking thing and just pick a regular ol' Bronto format for this one? Honestly, might as well go with the tried and true instead of this remix goulash.

Guild
10-15-2011, 01:28 AM
Dizzy, if that is the direction you want to go, I'll write it up. In fact, Bongo Bill's run our VvW setup before. I can ask him for the setup, or Friday, or I can ask if one of them wants to run it, and we can play Vampires Versus Mafia right here on Talking Time.

Also, I've got MicroMafia up, and there's always games ON bronto.

Finally, I love this setup, and I'm not scrapping it ever. If you don't want to do it, I'll still try to plug it once and again and try to bug you to co-mod it with me when/if it does fly. The current version looks fantastically chaotic to me.

Guild
10-15-2011, 01:30 AM
Let's go ahead and open signups for this. I'll make the threads.

chady
10-15-2011, 01:48 AM
I'm going to go on record as saying I don't think that multiple concurrent games are going to go over that well on TT. The current system of game > vote for new game > game > vote for new game > etc. is pretty well entrenched. At the very least, the numbering system would be completely thrown out of whack.

I could be wrong. But I bet I'm not.

Guild
10-15-2011, 01:56 AM
So let it be known. Amen.

Guild
10-15-2011, 01:57 AM
This game is also taking place offsite. Not on brontoforum.us, but Elsewhere, to level the playing field, so to speak.

And as an experimental retard mishmash, it hardly deserves a number.

chady
10-15-2011, 02:02 AM
So let it be known. Amen.

Yup, you should just continue on wondering why people might not like you that much.

Guild
10-15-2011, 02:06 AM
heh, i don't wonder :)

you did step all over my game with your interpretation of patterns as traditions

i realize that sounds ass backwards, but to me they're stupid traditions if they get in the way of people enjoying themselves on a game forum

in summation: it's safe to ignore me

chady
10-15-2011, 02:23 AM
I was just trying to be nice and let you down easy when people weren't and aren't rushing to sign up for your games. I like the idea for this game. Not wild about the "Elsewhere" but I might jump in. But in the end I'm just dropping the hint that you might get more traction through the "traditional" channels.

Like I said, I could be wrong. People could sign up in droves. I'm just some guy, what do I know.

Guild
10-15-2011, 02:40 AM
You know how to make me laugh like a dork every time I read your user title.

JohnB
10-15-2011, 06:37 AM
You two should just fuck and get it over with.

Guild
10-15-2011, 03:34 PM
Mafia versus town versus Thing(s) kind of sounds like the best game ever.

The Vampires Vs. Werewolves setup we were discussing is sorta similar to your Best Game Ever.

The monsters in TTvB have a thinglike conversion. I nerfed the vampires in TTvB tremendously, but added a few more roles. If we got less than, say, 16 players, or if it would help inspire participation more, I'd maybe think about reverting team Monster into the ORIGINAL VvW team Vampire thusly:

Dracula - Able to convert, investigate or kill each night. Dies if he bites a Mobster, but so does the mobster (stereotypical garlic diet metagame cultural bigotry element spaghetti yous mugs).
Olrox - Becomes Dracula if Dracula dies.
Devil - Able to investigate each night but doesn't know who his teammates are to start. Able to chat with them if he finds them.

The werewolves usually start with five to six members in a 20+ game, but they don't have the ability to grow forever like the Vamps do. So it would be team Mafia vs team Vampire vs the secret boss vs the town.

ANYWAY

Signups for this game are open as of TODAY. If we get 16 players or more between both forums the game will start mid-Novemberish. (http://brontoforum.us/index.php?topic=6033.msg206667#msg206667)

Items: I'm removing about half of these TT items, but adding The Brickroad Cheeseburger, an item which makes the user immune to the lynch, and Suzaku - Has the power Contract: once per game, may bargain with a dead player for use of their skill. The dead may specify terms of use, which must be followed on pain of death.

McClain
10-15-2011, 05:23 PM
FWIW, I can barely play one game at a time.

I think the idea of a "sub" game isn't a bad one, it just hasn't gotten off the ground. There's been several times when we talked about doing basically 5+-man-mafia for the people killed early in longer main games.

Guild
10-15-2011, 07:24 PM
So far we've got ten players. Two of them are talkingtimers. You guys are being outnumbered and outspirited.

Umby
10-15-2011, 08:13 PM
Guild, this is because we like playing only one game at a time. Perhaps you can pitch this as Mafia 16, and have it on our boards or something, because it seems like the Brontos are more ready to do this than we are.

Guild
10-15-2011, 08:27 PM
http://forumageddon.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=general&thread=1

Guild
10-15-2011, 08:28 PM
Hmmmmm.......

Ok if Dizzy wants to do it that way since he's the boss.

I'll tell the brontos to WAIT PATIENTLY.

In the meantime, this game will still run on time if it isn't M16, maybe, so keep signing up if you want to run it that way.

Dizzy
10-15-2011, 09:58 PM
Very productive, Guild! But one thing: I'm not the boss. My contributions at this point have been nil, no? Just remember this though because my commitment is wandering at the moment....

If you want to go ahead and complete this project without me, do so.

Guild
10-16-2011, 12:26 AM
Right. You're not the boss. You got it. Let me know if there's anything else I should do, and are you going to be available to familiarize yourself with the moderator account a little? I'll be on IRC later tonight if you want to talk abou

Guild
10-16-2011, 03:05 PM
I'm going to go ahead with the FULL ANON plan, by setting up all the accounts beforehand so I can hand them out by name/password to players and everything will be waiting for them in the inbox. Nobody will know who anybody is in this game unless they're in the Champaign room.

Guild
10-16-2011, 03:35 PM
http://forumageddon.proboards.com/index.cgi

I've started making anon accounts. I'm thinking about themes for avatars. Any suggestions, anyone? I was thinking of those dudes from Dark Crystal but that's a little too overplayed amongst my peers and honestly those singing dudes give me nightmares of church

Umby
10-16-2011, 03:45 PM
That ruins the game for me. I want to play with other big personality Brontos and learn about them by playing the game, not play an anonymous game!

breakman
10-16-2011, 03:56 PM
My concern (with this game in general) is that doing well will depend on studying the way the "other side" plays the game, and that (some of) those who choose not to prepare for the game that way will just end up being noisy and obnoxious. Or, they get annoyed and quit the game.

Guild
10-16-2011, 04:11 PM
Every sport has scrubs.

Guild
10-16-2011, 04:14 PM
The fact that I can intend that unironically after being a scrub in M14 and M15 is probably not coincidental to my personality flaws.

That ruins the game for me. I want to play with other big personality Brontos and learn about them by playing the game, not play an anonymous game!

You don't know their meta regardless! If anything, this will be a great way to introduce yourself to them because it will cut out a lot of cross-perspective analysis and allow you to learn them one-on-one rather than by reputation, which can be detrimental (like in my and brick's cases for opposing reasons).

Guild
10-16-2011, 08:38 PM
Phew, almost done setting up, and it cost me ALL of my need-a-distraction time for half a day. That's fucking off time that I'll never get back. I hope you guys are able to show appreciation by continuing to read my blathering about this game.

Here's my compromise for those who aren't ok with the anon rule:

Rule 14) Players are expected to use only the accounts they've been given to play the game. Maintaining anonymity is the option of the individual.

Read more: http://forumageddon.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=general&action=display&thread=4#ixzz1b0DjIvFK

Dizzy
10-16-2011, 08:58 PM
Fuck me... trying to argue for a game where everyone plays under a pseudonym around here is like trying to catch a squirrel on cocaine.

Guild
10-16-2011, 10:34 PM
If you want to sign up anonymously on the WHO'S PLAYIN' list, PM me either here or on Bronto and I'll put your name as ANONYMOUS 1, ANONYMOUS 2, etc. Double anonymous!

Guild
10-17-2011, 01:55 PM
http://forumageddon.proboards.com/index.cgi

Alright, after being told HILARIOUSLY that my old avatar was racist (sorry, i thought it was a funny thing because of the juxtaposition between fast food and the ultimate spy device, not racist... though i laughed even harder after i was told thanks diz - racism doesn't immediately occur to me unfortunately(?)) but anyway, THAT stupidness on my part aside, I've made the admin account MORE FAMILY SAFE and also created the 36 accounts with passwords and emails i hopefully might need most of. Now i have to compose the PMs and send them to the accounts and then wait until the game starts, pick out the names/passwords that will fill the roles to make the game balanced, and BLAM, we're in business.

Should be about another four hours of work to write the PMs, then we're basically ready to rock.

Dizzy, if I could get you to erase all the rules in the OP of this thread and link to the forum instead, it would be very appreciated.

McClain
10-17-2011, 02:33 PM
I vote for Guild for triple posting. :D

Dizzy
10-17-2011, 03:03 PM
OP has been updated.

Guild
10-17-2011, 05:15 PM
Thanks Diz!

Things are on track. I hope we get the players. We're at 9 so far! 7 more to ensure the game runs, and ideally 17 more for a good, full game. Room for 21 more players, don't be shy, and don't be fooled by the speed of signups.

Guild
10-17-2011, 09:17 PM
Seriously. Don't. I have an infuriating way of getting what I want.

Guild
10-18-2011, 05:02 PM
Rolling for each player and removing the option after each roll:

Welcome to Brontoforumus Vs Talking Time Werewolf, XXX


Welcome to Talking Time Vs Brontoforumus Mafia, XXX



You are the Thief, an Innocent, and each night you can steal one item if you are correct about a player having it. You have no money to start, but every time you steal successfully, you also get all their gold!

You are the Little Girl , an Innocent, and each night you'll hear snippets of what the Monsters and Mobsters are discussing. You have no money to start, but your allowance of 50 gold per night you live will come in handy!

You are the Banker, an Innocent, and that means you are LOADED. You have 400 gold to start and earn 25 per night!

You are the Cowboy, an Innocent, and you can see who targets the player of your choice during each night. You have 200 gold.

You are the Indian, an Innocent, and you can see who the player of your choice targets during each night. You have 200 gold.

You are the God Damn Batman, an Innocent, and you can send anonymous messages to the town at-large through me whenever you want. You have 200 gold.

You are the Vampire Slayer, an Innocent, and once per game you can strike out at a player with your Vampire Slayer whip, killing them instantly if they are a vampire. You have 200 gold.

You are the Geomancer, an Innocent, and you get a second, secret vote. PM me your second votes and they are active as of the timestamp on the PM. You have 200 gold.

You are the Gravedigger, an Innocent, and you can steal one item from a grave if you know the item is there each night. In addition, you get all their gold if you're right, but you have none to start the game with.

You are the AH Owner, an Innocent, and you determine what items are in the lineup. You have no money to start, but you earn 4% of all gold bid on winning auctions. Tell me how you want the remaining items ordered once per game.

You are the Fool, a Soloist, and you win if you get lynched. Weird, I know, but feel free to be creative. You have 200 gold.

You are the Oracle, an Innocent, and you learn the alignment of another player each night (Monster, Mobster, Soloist, Innocent). You have 200 gold.

You are the Guardian Angel, an Innocent, and as long as you are alive, role PMs are revealed upon death. You have 200 gold.

You are the PI, an Innocent, and each night you'll review bids from other players (clients) to have you investigate a target, revealing the role to both you and the client. The case you accept is the amount of money you receive. You have no gold to start.

You are the Rolechecker, an Innocent, and you see what powers a player has at night. You have 200 gold.

You are the Coroner, an Innocent, and you learn the true roles of all dead players. You have 200 gold.

You are the Revenant, an Innocent, and you'll resurrect with a new role two phases after you die. You have 200 gold.

You are the Protector, an Innocent, and you can prevent death on non consecutive nights on any player you choose by PMing me their name. You have 200 gold.

You are the Changer, an Innocent, and you can swap the targets of one player to any target you like. You have 200 gold.

You are the Swapper, an Innocent, and you may swap all powers targeting two targets each night. You have 200 gold.

You are the President, an Innocent, and you get an additional vote in the thread. Your last two bolded names count as votes (double-bold a name to double-vote it). You have 200 gold.

You are the Stonewall, an Innocent, and you must have majority to be lynched. You have 200 gold.

You are the Killer, an Innocent, and you may kill one other player once at night. You have 200 gold.

You are the Roleblocker, an Innocent, and you may prevent all targets on or by a player at night. You have 200 gold.

You are the Scanner, an Innocent, and you can see someone's role PM every night, but die if you ever claim to be the Scanner. You have 200 gold.

You are the Drunk, an Innocent, and once per game can do one of the following: kill one person (learn faction[Monster, Mobster, Soloist, Innocent]), investigate one person (learns faction and role), prevent all night kills for one night (you'll die in everyone else's place). You have 200 gold.

You are the Wizard, an Innocent, and you start with a ring of warning, a ring of free action and two scrolls of mail. You have 200 gold.

You are Phoenix Wright, an Innocent, and once per game you may reveal the alignment of the lead vote nomination and push day back 48 hours (on odd days). You have 200 gold.

You are Genbu, an Innocent, and you may prevent a target from being nightkilled for two nights. This power has two charges. You have 200 gold.

You are Suzaku, an Innocent, and once per game you may make a contract with a dead player which must be followed (on pain of death) for the use of their powers for the day/night. You have 200 gold.

Second set of rolls: 20% Monsters, 20% Mobsters:

In addition, you are Dracula, leader of the Monsters, whom you shall command in this QuickTopic. You are able to kill, investigate or convert a player at night. You only get one conversion attempt. In addition, you may send a message to Satan, leader of the Mobsters, at any time in this QuickTopic. If you die and your second in command is empowered, he will replace you, regardless of the order it happens in. He does not get a conversion if it has been attempted already.

In addition, you are Olrox, second in command of the Monsters, with whom you may plot in this QuickTopic. If Dracula dies and you manage to become empowered, you'll become Dracula. Dracula's role PM looks like this: You are Dracula, leader of the Monsters, whom you shall command in this QuickTopic. You are able to kill, investigate or convert a player at night. You only get one conversion attempt. In addition, you may send a message to Satan, leader of the Mobsters, at any time in this QuickTopic. If you die and your second in command is empowered, he will replace you, regardless of the order it happens in. He does not get a conversion if it has been attempted already.

In addition, you are the Interceptor Werewolf, member of the Monsters with whom you may plot in this QuickTopic. If you are ever killed by the lynch, the last person who voted for you will die. If you are ever killed by a player, they will die. This event is unstoppable by any known ability.

In addition, you are the Werewolf Framer, and you have a special job. You can make each role PM your team causes to be revealed appear however you want. In addition, you may disguise your OWN team's role PMs however you like when they die. Furthermore, once per game you can 'frame' another player, making them appear to be you to all scries for the night.

In addition, you are the Devil, a Monster, but you've never been able to find your team. Each night, you can see the role PM of another player. If you find another Monster, you'll be able to join their QuickTopic.

In addition, you are Satan, leader of the Mobsters, whom you shall command in this QuickTopic. You have a nightkill. You may predict one death each night (to occur before the next nightphase) and if you stock two correct predictions, you get another kill. The predicted deaths must be nightkills by non-Mafia players or lynches. In addition, you can talk to Dracula, leader of the Monsters, at any time in this QuickTopic.

In addition, you are the Fogger, member of the Mobsters, with whom you may plot in this QuickTopic. You may choose a player to have them receive only random, useless backstage information for the duration of the game. Any time they would have learned something true, it's not. Really an awful curse. Choose any time during the game.

In addition, you are the Forger, member of the Mobsters, with whom you may plot in this QuickTopic. You may choose a player each night to have them appear to be a Mobster for that night.

In addition, you are the Bomb, member of the Mobsters, with whom you may plot in this QuickTopic. You can kill one player regardless of protections. Your kill is instant, and can be done in private or in the thread.

In addition, you are the Scrambler, member of the Mobsters, with whom you may plot in this QuickTopic. You may permanently scramble one player's powers once. They will be re-rolled as a different power of the same team.

In addition, you are the Limiter, member of the Mobsters, with whom you may plot in this QuickTopic. Once per game, you may truncate an even day by 24 hours.

Third roll, completely random amongst all players:

And finally, believe it or not, you are also the Weretiger, Secret Boss. You'll only die by the lynch at majority. On odd nights, you gain these powers: A night kill, and you'll only appear guilty on nights you kill. On even nights, you gain these powers: You'll only appear guilty to the Rolechecker's investigation.

After three RANDOM setups, and one WORST CASE for each team, I've determined the empowerment system to be the best possible way to balance almost ANY kind of crazy setup.

Mogri
10-18-2011, 05:35 PM
I'm not TT-famous or anything but I'm willing to play

JohnB
10-18-2011, 05:37 PM
HOLY SHIT

Mogri
10-18-2011, 05:41 PM
HOLY SHIT

You best hope this doesn't count as "the Mafia thread"

JohnB
10-18-2011, 05:47 PM
You best hope this doesn't count as "the Mafia thread"

It isn't.

Guild
10-19-2011, 02:29 PM
Players:
- Umby -
- Envy -
- Disposable Ninja -
- dwolfe -
- Caithness -
- Lottel -
- Kayma -
- NexAdruin -
- Destil -
- Classic -
- Anonymous 1 -
- Mogri -

McClain
10-19-2011, 02:34 PM
There's no way I could play this right now but I'm rooting for Suzaku!

Mogri
10-19-2011, 02:43 PM
Players:
- Umby -
- Envy -
- Disposable Ninja -
- dwolfe -
- Caithness -
- Lottel -
- Kayma -
- NexAdruin -
- Destil -
- Classic -
- Anonymous 1 -

Does that mean I'm not in? scuse me while I find a corner to cry in

Guild
10-19-2011, 03:07 PM
Whoops! Gotcha, Mogri.

Caithness
10-19-2011, 03:41 PM
There's no way I could play this right now but I'm rooting for Suzaku!

It's not starting until November 15th.

Guild
10-21-2011, 07:16 PM
This game needs four more to assure it's run and can hold up to 24 more players (for a total of 36). The rules are open and hell-of-a complex, poooossibly moreso than VvW. Furthermore, I am in need of a co-moderator, as this is a frankly huge task - the responsibilities the co-mod would take over would be light but very helpful to me, things like ending day by locking the thread until I can post and generally kicking ass with a big hammer if needed.

Guild
10-23-2011, 12:19 PM
How do I nominate this game for an M designation? I don't reallllllly want to run it away from the site I built since I already have the ANON mechanic all set up and rarin' ta go, but I'd like to have the consideration of a trade: My time moderating in exchange for a concession on the location, or perhaps just a handful of volunteers to play in this game concurrently with the M-game in progress when this one runs.

Pfffuuuuuu uhhh sorry I'm an ass. It's... incidental to my coolness or something.

Guild
10-23-2011, 12:25 PM
Your obvious and complete disregard for rules is not gonna make people jump at the opportunity to have you as the next GM.

I'm like those chicks from the Sword of Truth books who have Agiel when it comes to rules. If you know what they are, rules are pain for me.

I'm really smooth with handling them and helping people with them, but when it comes to general rules that everyone else pays attention to, I tend to disregard them, like once I started smoking in an Airport, and another time I stole a brick from a brick yard because I forgot I had it in my freaking hand... yeah

I don't think of it as hate, but apparently it's a strong aversion that enables my bad behavior or somesuch, and I am working on it personally.

JohnB
10-23-2011, 12:48 PM
I believe it's called narcissism.

Guild
10-23-2011, 04:53 PM
Maybe, but I really don't think I'm a great person at all. I'm pretty honest about my strengths, and handling role PMs is something I'm good at.

JohnB
10-23-2011, 08:32 PM
Fuck it. Sign me up.

dwolfe
10-23-2011, 09:10 PM
I'm like those chicks from the Sword of Truth books who have Agiel when it comes to rules. If you know what they are, rules are pain for me.

Holy s***, you've made the worst literary allusion I've ever seen. Sign me up for your game. I have to see where this leads.

Guild
10-24-2011, 08:44 PM
- Umby -
- Envy -
- Disposable Ninja -
- dwolfe -
- Caithness -
- Lottel -
- Kayma -
- NexAdruin -
- Mogri -
- Classic -
- Anonymous 1 -
- JohnB -

Need four more to ensure this game runs. Up to 23 more can still join!

Destil
10-24-2011, 08:45 PM
I'm pretty sure I signed up for mini-mafia, not TT vs. Bronto?

Caithness
10-24-2011, 08:54 PM
You've got dwolfe on there twice.

Mogri
10-24-2011, 08:59 PM
I'm still not on the list ;_;

Guild
10-24-2011, 09:10 PM
The very best. (maintaining three copies of a single list can be easily confused, but the master list on Forumageddon is accurate)

- Umby -
- Envy -
- Disposable Ninja -
- dwolfe -
- Caithness -
- Lottel -
- Kayma -
- NexAdruin -
- Mogri -
- Classic -
- Anonymous 1 -
- JohnB -
- Nickasummers -

dwolfe
10-25-2011, 05:35 PM
You've got dwolfe on there twice.

I had every intention of playing out both characters, especially if one is town and one is mafia. A true challenge for my role-playing chops!!!

Guild
10-25-2011, 08:42 PM
We've done a two-accounts-for-a-single-player before. Joker/Mr. Freeze were both town in How To Kill Batman (http://brontoforum.us/index.php?topic=3489.0), and played very well by Brentai, I might add. One of my favorites.

Guild
10-31-2011, 08:17 PM
Ok, well, since there needs to be a poll for the next game, I'm going to offer this game, designed mostly by Dizzy(scapegoat, scapegoat), as an option for M16. I still need a co-moderator. If it's not going to be M16 I am going to PAUSE it for a while. Sorta let the stew brew. Not enough Brontos lined up. Not enough Talking Timers came to the table. It's sad, but it happens. Sometimes things are dead. Sometimes they come back. We'll see.

Tenets of our Party's Platform:

This game is crazy. Who knows what the fuck.

Break the spirit of the rules but not the letter. Champaign room: Dead players stay out of it. Items, empowerment, Phoenix Wright, Simo Belmo and an auction house to rival any. Untested money system. Optionally anon and off-site.

Caithness
10-31-2011, 08:23 PM
It's "tenets". Tenants are people who rent from you.

Guild
10-31-2011, 08:25 PM
You know, I almost wrote it that way. I was thinking it looked too much like that dude from Dr. Who's name. Thanks, Caith.