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Kishi
06-14-2007, 12:14 AM
And for a bit of direction, read as Josh Lesnick lays into his fellow webcomic artists (http://superhappy.livejournal.com/271857.html). Like, all of them.

If you care at all about the Craftsmanship of Visual Works, however amateurish the venue, I hope it enthralls you as much as it does me to see one of its more sincere creators actively seeking its general refinement. And if not, well, it's almost guaranteed that he addresses at least a few comics you've read, so you can at least laugh or boo along with the praise and derision.

mr_bungle700
06-14-2007, 12:41 AM
I think that's a great post even though I'm not an artist and I don't really know anything about art. Josh seems to be pretty clear and honest with his criticisms, and willing to give praise where it it's due as well. I was convinced he was going to lay into 8-Bit Theatre, for instance, but he does a good job pointing out what that comic does well. Like him, I believe it's important that even webcomics are viewed with a critical eye. They aren't all terrible and they have the capacity to grow and mature just like any other creative medium.

The only issue I ever have with Josh doing any kind of webcomic critique is that I always have to wonder about his motivations. Is he really trying to help webcomics grow up or is this just another expression of his constant angst about how comics that aren't as good as his are more popular and make more money? I mean, I love his work, but his relative lack of success has little to do with other comics. It's not like the popular comics are keeping him down or taking away his readers.

That being said, though, he did an excellent job this time. His observations are well thought out and very informative. I hope he does more of this kind of thing in the future, provided he can keep it as objective as possible.

Evil Dead Junkie
06-14-2007, 01:22 AM
It's like if Mr. Blackwell was a nerd.

Makkara
06-14-2007, 01:35 AM
Dominic Deegan: what the fuck!? That's got to be the ugliest thing I've ever seen. How can people stand looking at that? I swear, it makes me physically ill. The article was way too lenient with that piece of crap.

Chu
06-14-2007, 02:02 AM
After reading that, I realize that I am all too guilty of the "learning to draw anime rather than learning how to draw" thing. Sigh.

shivam
06-14-2007, 10:22 AM
uh, dominic deegan starts out dog ugly, and becomes one of the best written comics on the web over time. It's got a really well developed world, and characters that are incredibly sympathetic, and a great set of interconnected story arcs, and yes, the art gets better.

don't hate.

but as i read the critique, i find that i can't disagree with josh lesnik's assessment.

Makkara
06-14-2007, 10:58 AM
I can't really comment on the writing, but the art that hurt my eyes was from the last few strips. I guess it's possible that it has improved since the beginning, but I'm afraid to find out. The hate stays!

Evil Dead Junkie
06-14-2007, 11:06 AM
After reading that, I realize that I am all too guilty of the "learning to draw anime rather than learning how to draw" thing. Sigh.

See I thought that was elitist bullshit.

Then again I have no drawing ability whatsoever anime or otherwise.

Excitemike
06-14-2007, 11:16 AM
I got about a third of the way through it and gave up. Needs more art from each strip. Author is too focused on how people draw, which is a sure sign of insecurity of his own abilities. I know very little of webcomics outside of Achewood and PA, but Mr. Bungle's query of the author's motivations rings true. If you can't string together two paragraphs to critique someone, why bother? If I were a more charitable man, I would send him a copy of Understanding Comics and a subscription to The Comics Journal.

Parish
06-14-2007, 11:31 AM
I like Josh's work a lot, but I think sometimes he really is way too focused on the art element of these comics -- an important element, no question, but sometimes besides the point. Poo-pooing Achewood or XKCD because their art is perfunctory at best is like calling Henry Rollins useless because his spoken word albums aren't melodious enough. The great thing about comics as a medium is that they can run a wide gamut of styles and techniques and still be good.

Still, he's right more often than he's off-base. And I don't think it's bad that his own personal biases are on clear display; obviously he is more interested as an artist in giving his work expressiveness and energy than he is in clarity and visual storytelling (Girly is pretty chaotic), and his critique is based in that perspective.

Stephen
06-14-2007, 11:32 AM
Never head of Lesnick before. Heck never heard of half those comics, but he did say Scary Go Round is "pretty much perfect" so his head can't be too far up his ass.

Makkara
06-14-2007, 11:37 AM
After reading that, I realize that I am all too guilty of the "learning to draw anime rather than learning how to draw" thing. Sigh.
See I thought that was elitist bullshit.

I have to say I'm ambiguous about this. On one hand, there's absolutely nothing wrong with being inspired by the way the Japanese draw. They do some pretty good work. On the other hand, you shouldn't get so hung up on it that it holds you back from developing your own style. What's more, most westerners who try to copy the "anime style" tend to retain few of its positive qualities, most of its negative ones, and introduce a few new faults of their own.

Guy
06-14-2007, 12:03 PM
Seeing Tim Buckley getting torn open by critics makes me much happier than it probably should.

Lumber Baron
06-14-2007, 01:29 PM
Reading a few of Josh Lesnick's writings, I think he's somewhat ashamed of falling in with the anime crowd earlier in his career and has developed a slight bias against it. When he talks about stuff like Dominic Deegan, I think he sees a bit of his former self and reacts against that.

I've got to say he's pretty on-target with most of his critiues. But I'm not very picky when it comes to art in comics, so I won't give up on one if it's not the best. Unless something in the art bugs me. Like "The Least I Could Do". Its just rubs the the wrong way.

nadia
06-14-2007, 03:25 PM
See I thought that was elitist bullshit.

It's not an invalid complaint, barring the fact not all manga-ka draw in the big eyes/small mouth style (in fact, it's becoming less popular as time goes on, though it's becoming more popular in Korean manhwa). But you're right about it being elitest bullshit in this case. Lesnick tries way too hard to distance himself from that oh-so-poisonous anime influence, yet you can see it all over his work.

But his work is great. It has its own flavour, its own style ... yet he'll murder you if you so much suggest the obvious anime influence. I love his comic strips but I stopped reading them ages ago because I can't take his toxic paranoia.

Poo-pooing Achewood or XKCD because their art is perfunctory at best is like calling Henry Rollins useless because his spoken word albums aren't melodious enough.

I think it's a semi-pathetic thing for him to say. Onstad and Munroe are extremely capable artists; they've just chosen a particular style for their respective works. Christ, I'm not an artist and I can tell that much.

alexb
06-14-2007, 03:29 PM
I didn't really get the feeling he slammed Achewood.

nadia
06-14-2007, 03:37 PM
Not so much on Achewood, but he's still kind of stupid about XKCD.

"This comic isn't really done by an artist."

Holy shit! Call the fuckin' police!

PS, I agree with most of the write-up otherwise. I thought for sure, given recent trends, it'd be all about "BLARG BLARG ANIME BLARG."

Torgo
06-14-2007, 03:58 PM
Alrighty then...

1. Who is this guy again and why does his opinion matter? (Not trying to be snarky, I seriously have no clue who he is or why I should maybe care about what he thinks.)

2. The overall critique and content of the post is not as whiny as this thread was making it sound. It's actually fairly complementary about quite a few of them, but yeah, it still comes off as a little sanctimonious.

3. For anything he might have trashed, he compliments 8-Bit Theater. Huh? Is he going to say something nice about Bob & George next?

4. I do not recognize most of the comics he brought up. It doesn't help that I consistently read all of three though, one of which he didn't even mention. The little snippet about Ctrl-Alt-Del's (which I do not read) facial expressions was interesting though.

tungwene
06-14-2007, 04:45 PM
Before more people get uber-defense fanboy about their favorite webcomics getting slammed let me just say this: a lot of what Josh says in his article is no different from what you'd hear if you were take an illustration course; anatomy needs work, no anime, etc. There's a, huge understatement, large bias against anime in the professional art world. In high school I was told when preparing my portfolio to under no circumstances put anything anime-inspired in it because chances are any potential art school I was interested in would completely ignore my portfolio because of it. I've seen that "I'm a professionally trained artist with a degree" mentality bleed over into other places like deviant art but in most cases that is where that mentality stops.

Anyhow, the point I was trying to make was explain where Josh might be coming from. His point of view would be considered "the norm" in the professional art world which average joes like us don't give a shit about. I think most readers don't read webcomics for just the art. They read it for the laughs and the stories. At least that's what I read them for. There are a few I follow specifically because the art is just so damn good I can't tear my eyes away but those are rare.

I know he was only trying to cover the most popular webcomics out there but I would like to see what what he thinks of Lackadaisy Rumrunner and Gunnerkrieg Court.

Kishi
06-14-2007, 05:01 PM
Alrighty then...

1. Who is this guy again and why does his opinion matter? (Not trying to be snarky, I seriously have no clue who he is or why I should maybe care about what he thinks.)

Josh Lesnick is the creator of a number of webcomics, the most prominent and recent being Girly (http://go-girly.com/). He has an extremely good sense of cartoon humor and has always tried to better himself as an artist over the years. This often spills over into criticism of his peers, but he's really not any harder on them than he is on (http://superhappy.livejournal.com/252676.html) himself (http://superhappy.livejournal.com/255686.html).

Or, just look at this (http://go-girly.com/go/JOSHLESNICKJOSHLESNICK).

poetfox
06-14-2007, 05:37 PM
I know he was only trying to cover the most popular webcomics out there but I would like to see what what he thinks of Lackadaisy Rumrunner and Gunnerkrieg Court.
I don't know what the second one is, but the fact the art is SO GOOD in Lackadaisy actually makes me sad, because the story is advanced so slowly... you really got to hit some sort of medium... or be some sort of drawing god... or something.
I read all that before this thread got posted, as I tend to follow his Livejournal when I get bored... and I don't really know exactly what to say about it. I don't know what good it is for him to write such a list... is everyone on that list reading it? Do they appreciate it? I appreciate critique when I do little things, but I dunno.
I really do think he puts a weeee bit too much emphasis on the art. I love Girly to death, most definately, and I love his art style. But his art isn't what keeps me coming back over and over. Granted, I don't really read any comics with completely abysmal art either... art with a bit of style definately helps to keep me around... but... I dunno. It's more important to have art that fits what you're doing than just have good art. Some of the badly drawn comics out there, like, say, White Ninja, work because the humor is on the same sort of level as the art style.

mr_bungle700
06-14-2007, 05:42 PM
Alrighty then...

1. Who is this guy again and why does his opinion matter? (Not trying to be snarky, I seriously have no clue who he is or why I should maybe care about what he thinks.)

What Kishi said. Josh also runs the adult comic site Slipshine (http://slipshine.net/) (NSFW, obviously), which has allowed him to make a living off of comics for several years. He's got a lot of experience and a lot of talent and he really does know what he's talking about.

2. The overall critique and content of the post is not as whiny as this thread was making it sound. It's actually fairly complementary about quite a few of them, but yeah, it still comes off as a little sanctimonious.

The thing about Josh is that he's been very vocal about his frustration with the fact that he can't seem to move away from his porn work into the field of regular comics. He wants to be able to earn a living from doing stuff like Girly, and it just hasn't happened. Unfortunately, instead of saying, "What can I be doing differently to promote my comic and get more readers?" he tends to say, "I've done everything I can and people are idiots for not making me rich! All they want is bad sprite comics and anime/manga ripoffs!" As much as he tries to keep that viewpoint in check, it tends to seep into pretty much everything he writes about comics. He did stay pretty objective in this particular post though.

3. For anything he might have trashed, he compliments 8-Bit Theater. Huh? Is he going to say something nice about Bob & George next?

The thing is, for a sprite comic 8-Bit has a lot going for it visually. I haven't read regularly for a couple of years now, but Brian tends to go several steps beyond what other sprite comic creators are willing to do or are even capable of.

4. I do not recognize most of the comics he brought up. It doesn't help that I consistently read all of three though, one of which he didn't even mention. The little snippet about Ctrl-Alt-Del's (which I do not read) facial expressions was interesting though.

He took these comics from a listing of the most popular ones on the web, as tracked by some service called Alexa, which I've never heard of. That's what prompted him to write the post, though. He wanted to give a serious art critique to the stuff that tends to get the most readers.

poetfox
06-14-2007, 05:50 PM
Alexa is, if I'm not mistaken, a quasi-spyware IE toolbar that tracks your internet habits so that Alexa can make money and sell them. Everything I've heard about how they get their numbers seem very skewed towards... well... the kind of people who would, for some reason, install a program that tracks their internet habits, but at the same time they're quoted quite often...
Oh, and apparently the company is owned by Amazon. Huh.

tungwene
06-14-2007, 05:53 PM
I don't know what the second one is, but the fact the art is SO GOOD in Lackadaisy actually makes me sad, because the story is advanced so slowly... you really got to hit some sort of medium... or be some sort of drawing god... or something.That brings me to another point about art in webcomics. I think most people are okay with art that doesn't look perfect because the comics where the artists stress about their panels not looking perfect enough tend to be the comics that end up in hiatus limbo land doomed never to be finished because the artist just can't bear the fact that the comic just doesn't look good enough. I think one very important point not touched upon in the article is when it comes to webcomics looking good should be secondary to getting your panels out consistently. Readers can forgive less than exemplary art work. What they cannot forgive is consistent missed or late updates. And for an artist to push updates out on time all the time it will more than likely require sacrificing the quality of the art from time to time.

shivam
06-14-2007, 07:10 PM
gunnerkrigg court (http://www.gunnerkrigg.com/index2.php)--easily one of the most stylishly minimal webcomics out there, and entirely worth the read.

Armored Robo Zaza Gabor
06-14-2007, 07:42 PM
No Nintendo Super Squad!? WTF!

mr_bungle700
06-14-2007, 08:16 PM
Proof that the world does not deserve the work of brilliance that is Supper Squid.

nadia
06-14-2007, 08:45 PM
I have to admit I'd love to see him blast apart the art for Jack. (http://www.pholph.com)

Some of Hopkins' pictures reach bids of $600, $700.

Kishi
06-14-2007, 08:49 PM
Furries, though.

nadia
06-14-2007, 08:52 PM
Yeah, but damn!

Torgo
06-14-2007, 09:31 PM
There's a, huge understatement, large bias against anime in the professional art world. In high school I was told when preparing my portfolio to under no circumstances put anything anime-inspired in it because chances are any potential art school I was interested in would completely ignore my portfolio because of it.
I admittedly know nothing about art, but that strikes me as a profoundly narrow (and again sanctimonious) view. So I can express myself artisticly in anyway I see fit... so long as it's not an anime or manga style. Nice elitism, guys. Kind of defeats the whole mantra of it if you ask me. (Self-expression, ect.)

I mean, I can understand the desire to see people move on and develop, but if that's where they draw the most inspiration from, what in the holy crap is wrong with that?

EDIT: For the record, I'm not getting in a huff about this because 'omg how dare they hate teh animes'. The one time I touched a manga was the better part of a decade ago and I haven't watched an anime in four years.

gamin
06-14-2007, 09:51 PM
I admittedly know nothing about art, but that strikes me as a profoundly narrow (and again sanctimonious) view. So I can express myself artisticly in anyway I see fit... so long as it's not an anime or manga style. Nice elitism, guys. Kind of defeats the whole mantra of it if you ask me. (Self-expression, ect.)

I mean, I can understand the desire to see people move on and develop, but if that's where they draw the most inspiration from, what in the holy crap is wrong with that?

EDIT: For the record, I'm not getting in a huff about this because 'omg how dare they hate teh animes'. The one time I touched a manga was the better part of a decade ago and I haven't watched an anime in four years.

The thing about art and illustration though is that it -should- boil down to one's observation. Looking at and studying the world, anatomy of the human form, etc. It's only when you've observed and studied and grasp the underlying truths of form and the things you wish to depict that you can properly bend it and see where you can take it. Anime is all too often (and I say this as one who used to draw it almost exclusively and have friends who used to as well) used in substitution of anatomy knowledge and understanding.

The greatest illustrators and artists (including the great anime artists), usually have a very strong foundation in the basics.

Torgo
06-14-2007, 10:06 PM
So learn the basics. As someone who's done some study of the culinary arts, I totally get that and couldn't agree more.

However, even with that it mind it sounds like an anime artist (or one that specializes in it) is still going to get kicked to the curb regardless just because, which is complete crap. It would be like me getting rejected by a culinary school because of an interest or experience in, say, Italian cuisine.

tungwene
06-14-2007, 10:16 PM
The thing about art and illustration though is that it -should- boil down to one's observation. Looking at and studying the world, anatomy of the human form, etc. It's only when you've observed and studied and grasp the underlying truths of form and the things you wish to depict that you can properly bend it and see where you can take it. Anime is all too often (and I say this as one who used to draw it almost exclusively and have friends who used to as well) used in substitution of anatomy knowledge and understanding.

The greatest illustrators and artists (including the great anime artists), usually have a very strong foundation in the basics.Pretty much hit the nail on the head. I don't know what style illustration programs chose to direct their ire at before anime became popular (Disney, I'm guessing) but it's to make sure their students have a good grasp of the basics and develop their own style from that and not an existing style. And it varies from school to school. I've talked to people who've had professors who would fail a student if their style remains too anime looking after being told to change their style while others are much more lenient.

I mean, I think it's all a little silly to target one genre when it incorporates so (http://www.animeuknews.net/img/uploaded/113165787862.253.128.13.jpg) many (http://www.productionig.com/contents/works_sp/images/bloodtv/f02_01.jpg) different (http://img2.putfile.com/main/5/13812502149.jpg) styles (http://aurabolt.animeblogger.net/images/47382902.jpg) but that's just me and I think most people only think of big eyes that take up a third of the head and pointy faces which is funny because I myself am not a big fan shoujo.

So learn the basics. As someone who's done some study of the culinary arts, I totally get that and couldn't agree more.

However, even with that it mind it sounds like an anime artist (or one that specializes in it) is still going to get kicked to the curb regardless just because, which is complete crap. It would be like me getting rejected by a culinary school because of an interest or experience in, say, Italian cuisine.The funny thing about art school is you don't need to go to art school in order to be a successful artist. I willing to bet not even half the artists on that webcomic list have set foot in an art school and you might be surprised which ones have and haven't judging purely by their output. Different people operate in different ways. Some people need to be led by the hand and have a strict regiment of does and donts laid out before them. Others not so much and if you don't like the "elitist" attitude of an art school by all means don't go to one. If you've got the talent it probably won't cripple you in the slightest. I don't know a thing about culinary school but I'm betting the same thing doesn't apply.

Parish
06-14-2007, 11:10 PM
Actually, I'm 100% behind his bagging on people who copy anime as their art style -- and I think the fact that he's guilty of having done that himself in the past strengthens his criticism. There's certainly nothing wrong with adopting anime style; his bone of contention is with people who don't learn fundamentals of art. Anatomy, perspective, light modeling, balance, composition, things like that. Replace "anime" with "Marvel comics" or "Pablo Picasso" or whatever you want and the complaint is the same -- it's not the style they imitate but the fact that they're skipping the fundamentals and using the techniques of anime as the substance of their drawing rather than as an accent. It just happens that anime is pretty much what the kids want to draw these days, is all.

philliam
06-14-2007, 11:20 PM
Oh man, I was excited that I was able to post my drawings so you guys can tell me I suck at drawing. But alas, this is about Josh and his hatred of anime.

So here's the thing, I like Josh. I find his current style to be a hell of an improvement from his past stuff. But I don't think he has a hatred for anime but the same boring, big eyed, style that has been done over and over again in anime.

"Japan is already a pretty homogonized society, good at producing a lot of crap that all looks the same. There are some artists over there that do push the envelope and come up with some truly unique stuff, but the generic crap is what's catching everyone's eye the most easily, and it's these traits that Western anime-style artists often apply to their own style."


Example
http://ohnolookoutitsaraygun.com/animeanime.png

And I agree with him. I think that typical anime style is boring and really annoying at times. And many webcomics do copy that particular style.

Torgo
06-15-2007, 12:07 AM
If you've got the talent it probably won't cripple you in the slightest. I don't know a thing about culinary school but I'm betting the same thing doesn't apply.
Actually it mirrors it a lot closer then you might think. 'Proper' culinary school is, at best, a starting point, and hardly a prerequisite for success.

I just don't think it's right for these schools you guys speak of to slam the door in eager student's faces. Shouldn't passion be encouraged rather then dumped on?

mr_bungle700
06-15-2007, 12:34 AM
Damn straight it should. Instead of just writing their students off they should use what those students are interested in as a gateway to showing them the basic elements that make all good art function. Those elements exist in good anime artwork just as much as they do anywhere else.

And I agree with him. I think that typical anime style is boring and really annoying at times. And many webcomics do copy that particular style.

You're absolutely right on there, and so was Josh in that regard. A lot of anime features the same sugary, lifeless, overprocessed style of character design, and copying that is just a terrible idea for any artist. It isn't even a good idea for anime creators, as that kind of artwork doesn't really make a production stand out as being at all original. Far too many artists copy that style because they associate it with anime, and they fail to realize that A) it's horribly generic and B) just copying it really doesn't teach you much about how to actually draw. Based on what I've been seeing in this thread, good drawing involves understanding the real world as much as it involves understanding the technical aspects of art, and you aren't going to learn that by simply imitating other people's work.

It's the same deal with people who learn to write songs by only listening to one kind of music. The only thing they ever create is inferior copies of the stuff they like. If you want to be a real composer you have to take inspiration from all kinds of music, and also from things all around you that might not seem to be related to music at all. I imagine that the same applies to art as well.

So Josh has a point in telling people to not just mindlessly copy anime style artwork. It's not that anime style is inherently inferior to other styles of art, but rather that copying any style of art without understanding what actually makes it work isn't going to do you any good. This would be an important lesson for art schools to teach as well. Dismissing anime style altogether is just stupid.

And so I've basically just restated what everyone else is saying. Way to be useful, Bungle!

By the way, you should totally post your artwork, philliam. I can't critique it because art isn't something I'm particularly knowledgeable about, but maybe other people here can tell you if you suck or not.

alexb
06-15-2007, 09:28 AM
You shouldn't inherently hate anime, but you do have to realize the style developed in the direction it has partially so that it would be quicker to draw and animate. It's production line. One reason the faces have gotten more and more abstract is probably so that it's easier to make them look "right" in perspective. Broad, flat colors are also much quicker to paint. This is of course true for any style of animation. It's the same underlying theory that got us the character designs for Josey and Pussycats, and Jabber Jaw, and Scooby Doo. In this case, you're left with a lot of big eyes, big tits, big hair, and super long chicken legs ending in the ruffles of a sailor skirt. Bishoujo seems to predominate in the mainstream lately. So in that sense, it's quite right to bag on someone trying to copy this generic shorthand as their " personal style."

Armored Robo Zaza Gabor
06-15-2007, 12:32 PM
The best art style is the one that doesn't give a shit. I mean, aren't web comics about the jokes and story and stuff.

That's why Dr. McNinja is so awesome. And Userfriendly too.

When the artist cares too much and wants to create something marketable from the get go, that's when web comics suck. But if you start with something that may or may not sell, but you like it, that's when its awesome. And it sells. Like Garfield or Peanuts.

Makkara
06-15-2007, 12:58 PM
Comics, including the web variety, are a visual medium. How they look is important. If webcomics were only about story and jokes, they'd be webnovels. The art is there, so if it looks like shit, it detracts from the experience.

Or course, there are comics that don't suffer from simplistic art, like XKCD (its main problem is its creepy preoccupation with unrealistically schmaltzy romance) or Dinosaur Comics.

shivam
06-15-2007, 01:43 PM
i dunno. i read em for the story. i only notice art if its too distracting or bad.

tungwene
06-15-2007, 02:55 PM
Or course, there are comics that don't suffer from simplistic art, like XKCD (its main problem is its creepy preoccupation with unrealistically schmaltzy romance) or Dinosaur Comics.I...like the romance ones. I think they're cute. *blushes*

philliam
06-15-2007, 03:14 PM
i dunno. i read em for the story.

why don't they write a book then?

shivam
06-15-2007, 03:16 PM
they do, and i buy em. i don't presume to be the normal target for such things. i know that i approach media and stories in a way that is generally perpendicular to how i should be doing it, but i make no apologies for how i do things.

Torgo
06-15-2007, 03:26 PM
The best art style is the one that doesn't give a shit. I mean, aren't web comics about the jokes and story and stuff.
Building on this...

After reading that, I realize that I am all too guilty of the "learning to draw anime rather than learning how to draw" thing. Sigh.
I wouldn't sweat it too much, Chu. Three of those Pokeymans comics you posted in the other thread made me lol for reals. I don't know how much you've done overall, but I think that shows you've got an eye for the humorist side of the coin. And the art itself? It may not be particularly original, but it is functional and you do a respectable job with it.

By all means hone your abilities and correct any mistakes you might have made along the way, but don't let anyone rip you for the path you've taken to develop it. Certainly don't dump on yourself.

Red Hedgehog
06-15-2007, 03:49 PM
Or course, there are comics that don't suffer from simplistic art, like XKCD (its main problem is its creepy preoccupation with unrealistically schmaltzy romance) or Dinosaur Comics.
I...like the romance ones. I think they're cute. *blushes*

Ditto. (Probably even including the blushing)