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Torgo
06-16-2007, 10:52 AM
Whee! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aJQ233cU7UA)

It's mostly pretty cg, along with a lot of moon language and voice acting in a language I don't understand. Hopefully they leave room for things like, you know, the rest of the game.

The piano solo of 'Theme of Love' is nice, though.

nadia
06-16-2007, 10:58 AM
Needs moar Kain.

Seriously though, I'm pretty gay for this already. Makes up for the horrible CGI introduction bottled with Final Fantasy Chronicles' version of FF IV.

Torgo
06-16-2007, 11:14 AM
Yeah, snarkiness and the fact that I played this not eight months ago aside, I'm totally hyped for this as well. (I've actually kinda been wanting to play it again, but I've been holding off in favor of this).

JCDenton
06-16-2007, 11:31 AM
One of these days I'll get around to beating some version of IV. This looks to be as good a chance as any. Do we know if there will be any new translation/localization? Advance seemed to disappoint a lot of people.

nadia
06-16-2007, 11:57 AM
I really liked Advance's localization. I found it far more polished than the job done on Chronicles (which often left you to guess what kind of armours and items you picked out of treasure chests).

I think people were disappointed with Advance because the cleaned-up translation revealed a pretty dull, standard story in lieu of any kind of treasure. I just like the story for what it is, so I'm cool.

(One change from Chronicles to Advance that did disappoint me: In Chronicles, when Kain sees Cecil for the first time after he becomes a Paladin, he makes a comment like "Nice drag." In Advance, he doesn't say anything of the sort. The porn magazine incident is also toned down, though I guess Squeenix made up for that one with Final Fantasy VI Advance's "Bushido in the Bedroom." Oh God NO.)

On a sidenote, I played the DeJap fan translation of FF IV ages before any official translations came out. Turns out the "real" game script didn't have Rosa saying she was going to screw Cecil silly the night before he's sent to Mist. Imagine that, a fan translation was exaggerated.

alexb
06-16-2007, 12:00 PM
Never mind that. The really cool stuff is the Tour de Japon videos linked to the FFIV video. Thanks!

Torgo
06-16-2007, 12:50 PM
I just like the story for what it is, so I'm cool.
Once again, this echoes my own sentiments. When I say I like FFIV's story, people think I'm saying that it's some landmark in storytelling. Which I'm not and it isn't. It's a very basic, fairly by-the-book tale of good overcoming evil, along with the usual stuff about redemption, friendship, love, loyalty, ect. It's hardly deep and it's nothing new or profound, but what it aims to do it does well.

...though I guess Squeenix made up for that one with Final Fantasy VI Advance's "Bushido in the Bedroom." Oh God NO.
Uh, what? I never got around to VI Advance's bonus content, so I have no idea what you're talking about...

gamin
06-16-2007, 12:54 PM
Uh, what? I never got around to VI Advance's bonus content, so I have no idea what you're talking about...

Its not bonus content, it's in Cyan's secret book stash.

Torgo
06-16-2007, 12:57 PM
In Mt. Zozo? Odd, I don't recall that at all.

Makkara
06-16-2007, 01:02 PM
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/c/c8/Cyan_ff.png

Wouldst thou care to partake in a free moustache ride?

cartman414
06-16-2007, 01:20 PM
Once again, this echoes my own sentiments. When I say I like FFIV's story, people think I'm saying that it's some landmark in storytelling. Which I'm not and it isn't. It's a very basic, fairly by-the-book tale of good overcoming evil, along with the usual stuff about redemption, friendship, love, loyalty, ect. It's hardly deep and it's nothing new or profound, but what it aims to do it does well.

Except for the redemption and loyalty parts, which were overshadowed by the whole puppet scheme. I just can't get over how contrived that angle was.

I wonder if there will be voice acting in this version, unlikely as it would be.

Torgo
06-16-2007, 01:31 PM
Except for the redemption and loyalty parts, which were overshadowed by the whole puppet scheme. I just can't get over how contrived that angle was.
Well, I will concede the brain-washing trump card is a little weak. And no one likes last-second real villains.

I can forgive the everyone dying but actually not thing because it ultimately allowed me to use someone other then Edge in IV Advance. And beat up Zeromus with Edward.

(Though, to be fair, I'm not sure I'd actually count Palom and Porom. After they turn themselves to stone a use item thing pops up when you 'talk' to them, which implied that there was some way to bring them back. The plot just got around to it before you did).

Armored Robo Zaza Gabor
06-16-2007, 03:21 PM
I realy admire you guys. Because you are not sick of yet another port of FFIV. Really.

I'd much rather have more Ocarina of Time ports, but Shigeru Miyamoto seems to have integrity or something and prefers to create brand new games and uses his creativity instead.

Eusis
06-16-2007, 03:41 PM
This is much more than yet another port... But yeah, I think I'd be much more hyped up for this if they at least didn't release that GBA version 2 years prior to this version, assuming this hits in fall. Still thought, even though I played FF1 prior this is my real first FF and I'm fond of it, even with the dumb story.

Coinspinner
06-16-2007, 03:56 PM
I'll wait for the Wiimake of PSP version.

I realy admire you guys. Because you are not sick of yet another port of FFIV. Really.

I'd much rather have more Ocarina of Time ports, but Shigeru Miyamoto seems to have integrity or something and prefers to create brand new games and uses his creativity instead.

I can't tell if this is sarcasm or ignorance.

Thinaran
06-16-2007, 04:13 PM
On a sidenote, I played the DeJap fan translation of FF IV ages before any official translations came out. Turns out the "real" game script didn't have Rosa saying she was going to screw Cecil silly the night before he's sent to Mist. Imagine that, a fan translation was exaggerated.
I bet Arche fucks like a tiger!

Armored Robo Zaza Gabor
06-16-2007, 04:33 PM
I'll wait for the Wiimake of PSP version.



I can't tell if this is sarcasm or ignorance.

It must be ignorance because 3D graphics always make a game totally new.

Coinspinner
06-16-2007, 05:11 PM
It must be ignorance because 3D graphics always make a game totally new.

So you believe that Miyamoto and Square's "talented" designers would have much to do with porting games? Zelda games have been ported and remade too, so I don't understand why you'd bring them up.

Jeanie
06-16-2007, 05:34 PM
So you believe that Miyamoto and Square's "talented" designers would have much to do with porting games? Zelda games have been ported and remade too, so I don't understand why you'd bring them up.

When was a Zelda remade? Other than the fact they all tell a similar story and a few things and characters carried over, they're all reasonably original.

The port thing is true though, but only in the last couple years. Not like Final Fantasy. This will be the fourth version of FF4, third in the last 5 or so years. Not to mention the enevitible PSP version that will come out in a year or so after the DS remake.

Eusis
06-16-2007, 05:41 PM
There was a remake of the original Zelda for that SNES satellite thing in Japan, and you could argue Link's Awakening DX was a light remake. Otherwise, yeah, have yet to really see a Zelda really remade then released around the world.

nadia
06-16-2007, 05:51 PM
I bet Arche fucks like a tiger!

What the hell was up with that translation?! Every second word was the F word!

cartman414
06-16-2007, 05:56 PM
Except that this is an actual remake. Revamped battle system, more story elements being included this time, etc.

Coinspinner
06-16-2007, 06:17 PM
When was a Zelda remade? Other than the fact they all tell a similar story and a few things and characters carried over, they're all reasonably original.

The port thing is true though, but only in the last couple years. Not like Final Fantasy. This will be the fourth version of FF4, third in the last 5 or so years. Not to mention the enevitible PSP version that will come out in a year or so after the DS remake.

BSZelda, Links Awakening DX, and OoT Master Quest are the ones I consider remakes. They are borderline cases I guess.

I consider Virtual Console releases ports. The number of ports will be less than with FF; Square is a third party after all and Nintendo brought the rehashery to Zelda later than Square did to FF. But remember Super Mario Allstars and the Super Mario Advances. Give it time! I'm sure you'll get the pleasure of paying to download Zelda games you already payed to download whenever Nintendo's next hardware is released.

(Edit: I didn't mean anyone in particular when I wrote "you". Just not me.)

Mazian
06-16-2007, 06:31 PM
I'm tentatively looking forward to it because I haven't acquired any of the slew of post-SNES ports. Serious upgrades to a decent game I haven't played since sometime in the mid-'90s? Worth a look. (And, I have to admit, I'm enjoying FFIII DS a lot more than I originally expected to.)

Armored Robo Zaza Gabor
06-16-2007, 07:28 PM
BSZelda, Links Awakening DX, and OoT Master Quest are the ones I consider remakes. They are borderline cases I guess.

I consider Virtual Console releases ports. The number of ports will be less than with FF; Square is a third party after all and Nintendo brought the rehashery to Zelda later than Square did to FF. But remember Super Mario Allstars and the Super Mario Advances. Give it time! I'm sure you'll get the pleasure of paying to download Zelda games you already payed to download whenever Nintendo's next hardware is released.

(Edit: I didn't mean anyone in particular when I wrote "you". Just not me.)

This is like that one time I got into a street fight with a guy who called my girlfriend a skank. I defended her, but it turned out she was actually a skank and was cheating on him with me without me knowing. I was blind with love.

Andrew
06-16-2007, 10:01 PM
BSZelda, Links Awakening DX, and OoT Master Quest are the ones I consider remakes. They are borderline cases I guess.

I'd say BS Zelda is the only real remake.

The others are minor enhancements in my book. LA DX was to help push GBC and Master Quest was a previously-unreleasted tweak on the original OOT. I'd say a remake should have major upgrades in the graphics, gameplay engine, and possibly level design. Like Metroid Zero Mission.

Which is also why I despite the term "wiimake" when all that changed is the controller.

Squall
06-16-2007, 10:05 PM
So clearly no one has ever played Link to the Past on GBA. They added wierd controls and a multiplayer mode! Though, It was actually better than the SNES version, on account of it being portable.

Torgo
06-16-2007, 10:06 PM
This is like that one time I got into a street fight with a guy who called my girlfriend a skank. I defended her, but it turned out she was actually a skank and was cheating on him with me without me knowing. I was blind with love.
So... FFIV is my girlfriend and the dude calling her a skank and screwing her is... the DS? Square-Enix? Calorie Mate?

mr_bungle700
06-16-2007, 11:39 PM
It's always Calorie Mate.

Did you hear that we pay that guy to feel up his laptop?

spineshark
06-16-2007, 11:52 PM
What the hell was up with that translation?! Every second word was the F word! Only in like, two scenes. (or so I recall anyway...) I've never decided whether "intentionally bad" is worse than "lazy" though, because the gba version references "the ancient war, Kangaroo." I'm a total Phantasia fanboy, but I only play the game in Japanese now. =/

I'm excited about ffivds and I'm not sure why. I mean, aside from obvious hopes it'll be better than the gba version. I haven't even played ffiiids, and I'd say the original is my second favorite in the series.

Coinspinner
06-16-2007, 11:56 PM
I'd say BS Zelda is the only real remake.

The others are minor enhancements in my book. LA DX was to help push GBC and Master Quest was a previously-unreleasted tweak on the original OOT. I'd say a remake should have major upgrades in the graphics, gameplay engine, and possibly level design. Like Metroid Zero Mission.

Which is also why I despite the term "wiimake" when all that changed is the controller.

If I remember correctly there's an extra dungeon. And IMO color is a huge graphical upgrade. :p

I don't know what to call it but remake. It's not a port and it's more than a rerelease. I know that it was the game that began my dislike of remakes. I plunked down money on a GBPocket and the original version only to have the GBColor announced a few months later with DX not too far behind.

Eusis
06-17-2007, 12:01 AM
I don't know what to call it but remake. It's not a port and it's more than a rerelease.
An update, that's the best term for it if you ask me. I said you could argue it's a remake as was shown, but that's only because it's as close as Zelda got in that regard for a retail release.

Psyael
06-17-2007, 01:42 PM
Those of us FF4 fans that didn't buy the Advance game are happy to see this, thank you.

Squall
06-17-2007, 02:21 PM
We should call them 'international' versions. :P

cartman414
06-17-2007, 04:38 PM
I'm definitely ok with remakes as long as they, at the very least, rebalance outstanding issues. I'd replay FF9 if they tuned down the encounter rate and sped up the battle screen transitions, and as mentioned on the pertinent thread, DQ7 if they sped up the progression of character building.

lotusreaver
08-23-2007, 12:49 AM
Reviving old thread with new images (http://www.the-magicbox.com/0708/game070820a.shtml) of Cecil, Rosa, Kain, et cetera. Discuss.

Tomm Guycot
08-23-2007, 01:10 AM
Which is also why I despite the term "wiimake" when all that changed is the controller.

As the first person to use that term (it's true!) I'd like to point out it was used in regards to Trauma Center - in which the Wii version had new graphics, new levels with a new character, and an entirely new final chapter and conclusion.


So uh... Wiimake.

Sanagi
08-23-2007, 01:11 AM
Kain looks quite badass.

But someone really should remind Rosa that underwear is supposed to be worn under something.

Makkara
08-23-2007, 02:04 AM
Everybody's so cute! At least in-game. I approve.

ScrambledGregs
08-23-2007, 08:51 AM
Being a terrible person--really more of a mold or lichen than a man--I have never played more than two hours of any version of Final Fantasy IV, whether in its original form on the SNES, its PS1 re-release, or its GBA remake.

However!! This I swear: to purchase and play through the DS remake no matter what. Will it have barbs which shoot out into my hands when my party is wiped out?? I'll still finish it. Will it leak radiation, rendering me sterile and toothless, every time one of my characters is poisoned?? I'll still play it, at least until the sweet grip of death chokes me. Will it have a spigot that issues forth sweet manna (like manna from the Bible, you god damn heathens) when I replenish MP?? Well, I'll totally play through it, then.

Also, and I'm just throwing this out there for good measure, it wouldn't be unwelcome if we saw a FFV remake. As stated above, I'm a terrible person/mold/lichen and have never played more than an hour into Final Fantasy V.

MCBanjoMike
08-23-2007, 09:19 AM
I'm not sure I'm really looking forward to them bringing the patented FF III DS slowness to FF IV. I'm in the last area of III and I'm starting to get really tired of waiting (wading?) through battle after extremely pokey battle. Pacing is important, people!

shivam
08-23-2007, 09:33 AM
ff4 is my favorite in the series. while i like the new detail character models, i hate the in game superdeformed stuff. so torn!

Kirin
08-23-2007, 10:36 AM
I feel your pain, Shivam. How long to we have to wait to get gorgeous Amano-based character designs in actual gameplay, now that there exists hardware with a hope of handling it?

Umm, aside from that Dissidia thing.

nadia
08-23-2007, 10:47 AM
Siiiigh, twelve years later and I still think Kain is hot. What's my problem?

I always pictured Cecil as a pretty boy. He is half alien, after all. I imagine he has some of those patented half-elf qualities to him.

alexb
08-23-2007, 11:00 AM
These models are far more detailed than the ones in FF3. Hopefully this means they've really tweaked the engine. Like others, I'm hoping it's not quite as pokey as FFIII was.

Zef
08-23-2007, 11:53 AM
I'm probably going to irritate some people with this, but here goes. If they're going to improve on the FF3DS engine, I'd really like a return to the use of cinematic camera angles throughout the battle, especially for spell effects and summons. What good is a fully-3D environment if you're just going to line up the characters and set a fixed camera behind the player's party, only occasionally showing a close-up of the character currently active? I mean, if I cast Meteo[r], I don't want to see a few flaming spheres rain on a static battleground, I want to see them from the enemy's POV while the screen shakes and shudders all over the place.

Sure, excessive pans and zooms can get ridiculous, but I think they'd work well as long as they're confined to enhancing the animation during a character's turn.

ScrambledGregs
08-23-2007, 03:20 PM
Personally, I hate cinematic camera movements in old school RPGs, which FFIII and FFIV are. Everytime in FFIII it zoomed in and went to the black background when I used a skill, I wanted to scream because it added unnecessary length to an already pokey (pokey, not slow exactly) battle system. Especially when I was using Steal--this skill does not need visual gussying up!!

Mightyblue
08-23-2007, 03:27 PM
Siiiigh, twelve years later and I still think Kain is hot. What's my problem?

I always pictured Cecil as a pretty boy. He is half alien, after all. I imagine he has some of those patented half-elf qualities to him.Well, considering he's half Lunarian and half Dragon, I'm kinda surprised he's human looking at all.

Calorie Mate
08-23-2007, 03:31 PM
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/c/c8/Cyan_ff.png

Wouldst thou care to partake in a free moustache ride?

I know it's hard to interpret Amano's art style sometimes, so for all of you that probably assumed otherwise: that's not his sword handle!

nadia
08-23-2007, 04:26 PM
Well, considering he's half Lunarian and half Dragon, I'm kinda surprised he's human looking at all.

Wait, what? Half dragon? D:

Kishi
08-23-2007, 04:30 PM
The Mysidian Legend refers to "one born of a dragon," but I don't think it's supposed to be literal.

alexb
08-23-2007, 04:31 PM
I always took that "One Borne From a Dragon, Hoisting Light and Dark" thing to be a metaphor about him being half Lunarian. His mother was a human, wasn't she? Kluu ya was a Lunarian, right? I don't remember a bit about a him actually being a dragon, either.

Zef
08-23-2007, 04:43 PM
I always, always thought the "born from a dragon" bit referred to the Lunar Whale, and how it surfaces from the "mouth" of the dragon-shaped Mysidian continent. :(

lotusreaver
08-23-2007, 04:48 PM
Everytime in FFIII it zoomed in and went to the black background when I used a skill, I wanted to scream because it added unnecessary length to an already pokey (pokey, not slow exactly) battle system.

Clearly, there should be an option to enable/disable cinematic angles (or perhaps a slider bar to adjust the amount of fanciful fluff) to appease all parties.

nadia
08-23-2007, 04:51 PM
I always, always thought the "born from a dragon" bit referred to the Lunar Whale, and how it surfaces from the "mouth" of the dragon-shaped Mysidian continent.

Same. Though since we're on the topic, I once read a fanfiction about Kain being the bastard son of a Lunarian and Wyvern (or Dark Bahamut, if you prefer). What made it interesting is part of that fanfic's plot ended up as Kain's story in the end-of-game bonus content.

Uh, not the Wyvern bit, but rather the whole murder / jealousy thing. It's just a coincidence, since neither are exactly original themes. Still, I always liked that quiet but potent jealous streak Kain has over Rosa.

Mightyblue
08-23-2007, 05:07 PM
Same. Though since we're on the topic, I once read a fanfiction about Kain being the bastard son of a Lunarian and Wyvern (or Dark Bahamut, if you prefer). What made it interesting is part of that fanfic's plot ended up as Kain's story in the end-of-game bonus content.

Uh, not the Wyvern bit, but rather the whole murder / jealousy thing. It's just a coincidence, since neither are exactly original themes. Still, I always liked that quiet but potent jealous streak Kain has over Rosa.The plot for IV is so full of holes and other oddities that it's hard to get worked up over it. It still is pretty entertaining though, despite how cliched and cheesebally it is.

Guy
08-23-2007, 06:27 PM
Comparison shots (http://www.siliconera.com/2007/08/22/final-fantasy-iv-eye-candy-new-comparison-shots/#more-6360)

Yang's introduction is going to ruuuule.

alexb
08-23-2007, 06:37 PM
I look forward to the class change scene.

Zef
08-23-2007, 09:22 PM
Hm. So they revamped the engine's player input, at least: the action takes place in the top screen while the stats use the touchscreen. With that much available realstate, though, I wonder why they chose to display the action menu on the top screen, forgoing FF3's ability to tap options and targets.

alexb
08-23-2007, 09:23 PM
Tapping targets was imprecise in FF3. It's more efficient to use the Dpad anyway, so I'm not too concerned.

Alex Scott
08-23-2007, 09:37 PM
Guy, you're the best nephew ever. You've just given me a new avatar.

I know I shouldn't really want this. I've already bought FFIV three times, so do I need a fourth? On the other hand, the others don't look this nice. And they don't have such a crazy-looking Tellah.

I'm so weak.

Guy
08-23-2007, 10:43 PM
I'm getting it because I hate the bugs in the GBA version and because it's so pretty.

FF V and VI, though... if those get ported to the DS it'll be a lot harder to rationalize.

alexb
08-23-2007, 10:56 PM
What are you talking about? A redone FF6 is a prospect even more tantalizing than a redone FF4. Dude, these things are going to have remixed soundtracks. That's worth admission alone. The opera. The opera!

Guy
08-23-2007, 11:14 PM
What are you talking about? A redone FF6 is a prospect even more tantalizing than a redone FF4. Dude, these things are going to have remixed soundtracks. That's worth admission alone. The opera. The opera!

The opera!

The opera!

Okay, nevermind. Just Final Fantasy V will be difficult to rationalize.

Wait, Gilgamesh. The Clash on the Big Bridge. That... that'll be awesome in 3D and improved audio.

Nevermind.