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Parish
03-03-2008, 09:49 PM
Hey guys, Etrian Odyssey now has competition for "most hardcore RPG on the DS."

Mystery Dungeon: Shiren the Wanderer
Sega | DS | Roguelike | 2008

You are also allowed to play a translation of the Super Famicom game, if you want. The DS version has more features and, I believe, improved persistence in certain areas. Not to mention good samaritan rescues!

Sprite
03-04-2008, 11:48 AM
I played the Super Famicom game for a while, and loved it. I sucked though, and didn't get very far. Hopefully I'll get better this time.

Does anyone know how the Rescue Feature works?

Shadax
03-04-2008, 11:56 AM
Ugh, I probably should have preordered this. There is no chance i will see it in my tiny wasteland of a town.

Octopus Prime
03-04-2008, 12:14 PM
I want to play and enjoy Shiren, but I'm scared that it'll be too hardcore for me, and leave me sad and pitifully broken.

Sprite
03-04-2008, 12:31 PM
Can't you both enjoy it and be pitifully broken?

Parish
03-04-2008, 12:31 PM
Rescue is awesome, though it's contingent on a thriving community of Shiren fans, which seems rather optimistic. Anyway, when you die you have the option of calling for a rescue, which causes your DS to connect to WFC until some kindly other Wanderer enacts a rescue and delves into your dungeon to save your ass. You only get three rescue requests, though. I'm not sure if there's a way to stock more... possibly by rescuing others?

I imagine you'll have better luck calling for rescues early in the game's lifecycle, which is one of the main reasons I wanted to do the Fun Club this week. Feel free to use this thread to cry OUENDAAAAAAAAAAN

Sprite
03-04-2008, 12:37 PM
Oh, I was planning on asking for help here, or helping others. I may even spend most of my playing time saving people. Such a cool feature.

But, when you ask for help, does the helper need to start all the way at the beginning and delve down (or up, I forget which) into the dungeon to find you or can they start on the same floor?

EDIT: It uses WFC? Not passwords? Awesome!

Dadgum Roi
03-04-2008, 02:55 PM
I wonder how useful Rescue will be; I have to totally disable my router's security protocols in order for my DS to connect to Nintendo Wifi, and Nintendo's call center rep told me that's a very common issue. I can't leave my network open for hours on end.

Reluctant Hero
03-04-2008, 05:35 PM
Just waiting on Gamefly to mail me a copy...

Falselogic
03-04-2008, 05:42 PM
My EB Games doesn't get it in til tomorrow... grr.

Parish
03-04-2008, 06:39 PM
My review's up (http://www.1up.com/do/reviewPage?cId=3166800), for anyone sitting on the fence about this.

Ilchymis
03-04-2008, 06:41 PM
This game intimidates me, but with the huge level of adoration it's getting over at GAF I just might have to give it a try. Who's already into the game?

Edit: Parish: you start at the VERY BEGINNING after each time you die in this game? How are you expected to progress? I guess a bevy of save points is the only way to make it through the game. I get it's hardcore, but I don't really get how you can play from start to finish without complete insanity.

Parish
03-04-2008, 06:51 PM
There are no save points, at least not until you defeat the main story dungeon. You beat the game by making careful use of the few persistent elements: you can stock goods in warehouses, and certain single-use items let you retain your possessions in the event of death. But basically you're nearly as prepared to beat the game the first time you play as the tenth. Once you get a feel for an area and its monsters, it becomes much easier in subsequent playthroughs. That's why I compared it to something like SMB -- chances are you didn't beat Mario the first time you played, but with persistence you eventually mastered each level and learned the tricks and skills necessary to survive. A winning run through the dungeon really only takes about two hours or so. It's a brisk game.

Sprite
03-04-2008, 08:56 PM
In other words, it's an RPG that's based purely on skill and quick thinking (and, unfortunately, some luck) rather than grinding. It will beat the crap out of you.

I'm glad to hear a successful playthrough of the main game only takes a couple hours. Not sure I could take anymore.

...I also don't know if I even want to try the postgame stuff.

Octopus Prime
03-04-2008, 09:03 PM
This knowledge makes me less terrified of it.

Maybe, I will try Shiren the Wanderer. Maybe I will throw caution to the wind, grab that Samurai (or Ronin, or whatever he is) by the spiky bits and hold on for dear life!

Mr. Parish, your words have ignited a burning passion deep within the cockles of my heart! LET ME AT 'IM!

I should maybe not post so much when very tired?

SamuelMarston
03-04-2008, 09:04 PM
I'm hoping my pre-ordered copy will come in tomorrow.

Sprite
03-04-2008, 09:06 PM
In other news, IGN totally doesn't understand this game. Surprised?

Mystery Dungeon practically requires the player to trudge through dungeons, spend money upgrading a weapon, then turn around and trudge back to the very first town (which incidentally reduces you to level one). It is the very definition of "slow and steady wins the race."

D'oh!

Parish
03-04-2008, 10:31 PM
Yeah, bag on IGN if you want, but their write-up does seem to be more in line with what the average gamer will probably have to say. Still, I think the writer fails to understand how persistent the world really is. As you try and fail, you gradually complete tasks and minor sidequests which unlock permanent features in the game. For instance, certain NPC interactions will cause those NPCs to appear randomly in future playthroughs in which they become party members. You can rescue a little girl lost in the dungeon and her parents are so relieved that they offer a new service which is available for every game that follows. And so forth. While Shiren is forever caught in a loop of endeavor and failure, the world around him is not.

I made the SMB comparison, but it's not completely accurate, because every time you play SMB it's the same -- Shiren's version of SMB would give you the ability to create permanent stockpiles of P-Wings and Hammer Suits every few worlds, and from time to time a Mushroom Retainer would decide to tag along with you.

Traumadore
03-04-2008, 10:50 PM
I also discovered it was not arriving until tomorrow, but the 6 block trek in a shady conglomeration of strip malls and big box stores in the middle of the twin cities gave me a sensation similar enough to playing a roguelike.

The guy at GameSetWatch got incredibly lucky and netted a ring of item detection in like the second level, which carried his game from then on. I have never had such a lucky find in game like this, but i'm sure it's exhilirating.

Sprite
03-04-2008, 10:50 PM
Shiren's version of SMB would give you the ability to create permanent stockpiles of P-Wings and Hammer Suits every few worlds, and from time to time a Mushroom Retainer would decide to tag along with you.

Which would make SMB awesome. The persistent world thing is a great hook to get players coming back, if for nothing else but to see the next chapter in each town.

I remember the little girl quest. I think that was the first time I encountered a Monster House. She... she didn't survive.

Traumadore
03-05-2008, 12:29 PM
Alright, I have the game and am reading the manual NOW. I demand all the fence sitters grow a pair and dive in.

KONTORAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!

Also, Parish, since you reviewed the game, do you recommend control pad or touch controls?

SamuelMarston
03-05-2008, 12:42 PM
So my game store won't have this till Friday. At least I preordered it last week so I know there will be a copy for me.

Reluctant Hero
03-05-2008, 12:42 PM
With a little luck (and a lot of energon), Gamefly will ship me a copy today. But I've got one question. So there are not "save points", but when do you get save your gaem data (ie sidequests completed, items in warehouse, etc.)?

Red Hedgehog
03-05-2008, 12:44 PM
When is this supposed to arrive in stores? Gamestop's locator still says no local stores have it.

Reluctant Hero
03-05-2008, 12:48 PM
It should be arriving in stores today. The locator is only updated nightly, so tomorrow it may show that copies are in stores.

Traumadore
03-05-2008, 01:32 PM
You can save and quit anytime, but you can't use it to retry anything, it works kind of like an in-battle save in an SRPG. So anytime you want to put the game away you start back right where you were.

If you die at anytime you start back in town at roughly square one, unless you chose to store any items or completed other tasks that introduce new NPCs and things.

I am getting to the first town right now, so i'm in the tutorial area, which you would be hard press to get killed in. I did eat the first riceball accidentally though hehe

Traumadore
03-05-2008, 03:12 PM
Hmm, I am so used to Angband.

The first four proper levels are pretty similar to what you run into in the tutorial. The first time through it's a little redundant since you have all your resources still.

I'm on 15f right now on my first life, which is halfway through the game if one NPC was right. I've had a couple of close calls but nothing I couldn't get out of. I haven't found anything spectacular, though I have a couple staffs I haven't used.

I got lucky early on and found a Bronzeward +3 and Katana +2 almost immediately, and they have kept me from harm for the most part. I wish I had used my items a little more wisely. I used some dragon herbs to pick off some Bowboys just 'cause I could, but now I wish I had them to one-shot the Tanks.

My biggest messup so far was getting the lost girl killed. In a segment of hallways she got separated from me by the blacksmith NPC and killed by a pumpkin ghost hiding in the walls so I couldn't kill it. Pretty unlucky circumstances.

I haven't found any armbands yet :(

Parish
03-05-2008, 03:27 PM
Yeah, the pumpkin ghosts are bastards. They always kill the little girl in my playthoughs, too.

Traumadore
03-05-2008, 03:34 PM
Also, the phoenix ridge is full of hosers, so I just kept skipping forward once I realized the bandits were turning all the items in the map to weeds, and the rice monsters were just gonne eventually turn my gear into riceballs. I got off pretty easy there, Though my awesome +5 katana just got rusted by a slime in the marsh.

I had a plating scroll too, I just hadn't used it yet.

Also, my arrows of all things have been cursed for 6 levels now, and they are sorely missed. Muahaha, they we're just unequipped by a trap so I could ditch them.

Final update for now: I just died for the first time on 20f, I got bearhugged by a golem while his two cyclops friends beat the snot out of me! Three spaces from the stairs! The manner of death shall be in RED.

Sprite
03-05-2008, 05:28 PM
Alas, poor Traumadore!

So, um, it's been a while since I bought a DS game, so... did they change the game boxes? For the life of me I can't figure out how to open it. I feel kind of dumb now and am questioning my ability to beat this game.

EDIT: Oh, I push down the... let us never speak of this again.

Octopus Prime
03-05-2008, 05:51 PM
Seems to me like the smarter thing to do would have been to delete the message so we would never have realized it happened in the first place. Well, too late for that now. Since I've already replied to that message.

No luck finding Shiren today, but then, I didn't try very hard. Only checking the one store that doesn't have a particularly great selection in general, let alone with regard to a niche title such as like this one here.

alexb
03-05-2008, 07:44 PM
Got my copy tonight. More will follow.

Traumadore
03-05-2008, 07:51 PM
It was my fault for putting several useful items in a jar. I probably could have lived if I had them out, or if I knew the golem prevents you from moving away from him. Anyway, I'm on my way again, just about to leave bamboo town.

Just so you know, don't trust any Friendly Women or Wandering Masseurs. Really.

Well crap, The first level outside bamboo town a dead soldier warped away and possessed a firepuff, leveling it up so it could knock off half my hitpoints with a flame breath, knocking me out right there. 5F isn't nearly as good a run as 20F, hehe. And I was just thinking about how easy it seemed up till table mountain.

Next update: I'm back to 8F, and it has been a very good run, found lots of powerful gear, but the WHOLE FLOOR is a monster house and I just left my blast wave in the mountain town vault. Lets see how this goes.

Ok, I rocked the monster house by training them all together with the help of a wizard who cast haste on me (luckily). Then I turned a spike bomb into a doppleganger of myself, and all the monsters attacked him until he died, and exploded. This caused a chain reaction of spike bombs that I got to watch from a safe distance and it killed EVERYTHING! Now all I have to do is scoop up the 20+ pieces of loot lying around.

If you can't tell I am loving this game!

Red Hedgehog
03-05-2008, 09:03 PM
I picked it up today (last non pre-ordered copy at the gamestop near my office)! I've just finished the tutorial portion and gotten to the village. Trying to figure out what the experimental guy's house is all about. But he said I should store my items before doing it so that I am!

reibeatall
03-05-2008, 09:32 PM
So, I haven't played much, but I am glad I picked it as GotW.

Traumadore
03-05-2008, 09:45 PM
So, I died again, on 17F this time. Turns out a levelled up monster is just about the worst thing that can happen, and they should be neutralized in whatever way possible. I turned a chainhead into a dummy so I could kill the fluffy bunny that was healing him, then a birdman wandered in and killed the dummy to upgrade. Then he two shotted me.

You I never quite see it coming, though to be fair I left most of my valuables in the (newly unlocked) warehouse because I felt like the run was doomed. I hadn't found any riceballs the entire game besides the two i packed at the start, and was just hurrying from inn to inn. Weird how that happens....

DeeMer
03-05-2008, 09:50 PM
Just so you know, don't trust any Friendly Women or Wandering Masseurs. Really.



You might want to reconsider... even if they break your heart again.

alexb
03-05-2008, 10:27 PM
I like that the warehouse guard looks like Torneko.

Sprite
03-05-2008, 10:30 PM
Trying to figure out what the experimental guy's house is all about. But he said I should store my items before doing it so that I am!

That's Fay, and he has problems for you to solve. Fay's Problems are another cool part of this game. They're brain teasers that help prepare you for sticky situations in the dungeon. Good times.

You might want to reconsider... even if they break your heart again.

Agreed. Something may just come of it...

alexb
03-05-2008, 10:49 PM
I just talked to my brother near the beginning of the game and he asked me a few questions. He asked me if I got the feeling that he's stupid, like the other villagers believe. I picked No. But he acted like I had agreed he was stupid. Then he asked if I would mind if we worked together. Again, I said no. As in, "No, I wouldn't mind working with you," as in, "Yes, let's work together." And it treated it like I had turned him down and he left. Not localization at its finest.

Traumadore
03-05-2008, 10:52 PM
To be fair I think he asks you if you get that alot, as in, if people think you're dim as well. But yeah the second one got me too. Next time you stop by he asks for 1000 coins too, which I didn't have. Stupid "brother", I bet he's trying to con you like every other bastard.

reibeatall
03-05-2008, 10:55 PM
HEY GUYS SOME WOMAN WANTS TO MAKE ME FEEL SPECIAL

Hey, that bitch blinded me.

Traumadore
03-05-2008, 11:07 PM
I told you so but man you couldn't resist. And now everyone is saying to give second chances? Heck no!

Sprite
03-05-2008, 11:32 PM
Guys that woman's not all that bad SERIOUSLY.

reibeatall
03-05-2008, 11:41 PM
So, I'm ready to go to bed. How do I save this game?

Sprite
03-05-2008, 11:53 PM
Go to the menu (X, I think), choose Quit, choose Quit (do not choose Give Up). It's an interrupt save.

reibeatall
03-05-2008, 11:57 PM
I need somebody to rescue me.

My friend code is 3780-8642-8001. What's yours?

Traumadore
03-05-2008, 11:59 PM
I don't have wireless, or i'd be on it. I haven't been able to justify buying a wireless router for my studio apartment just to play gameboy on, but it's tempting. I wish someone could have rescued me when I was 10 levels away from the end, hehe.

reibeatall
03-06-2008, 12:19 AM
You're no freaking help then. Fine, I guess I'll be restarting.

Ilchymis
03-06-2008, 03:24 AM
I should give this a try and see if it's worth a good ol' purchase. I'm always about supporting weird games, especially when those games are worthwhile RPG's. Impressions when I have them!

LordGek
03-06-2008, 05:58 AM
My review's up (http://www.1up.com/do/reviewPage?cId=3166800), for anyone sitting on the fence about this.

Potent review there Mr. Parish! I really like how you made clear that as much as it has hooked you its clearly not for everyone and will frustrate the heck out of some folk.

I still find it interesting that a game this "cute" (doesn't take itself too seriously and has monsters like "Fluffy Bunnies") can be so deadly.

Sprite
03-06-2008, 07:55 AM
Boy, having cursed arrows really screws you over. First death at 12F. Bleah.

alexb
03-06-2008, 09:56 AM
Encountered my first death at level 8. Made it to 11, but found an item an NPC could use and decided to backtrack. First thing on that level I encountered was a Summon trap, so now I had 4 monsters on my tail. I retreated into a corridor and began wailing on the spike bomb at the head of the pack. The idea was that I would set it off and hopefully survive the explosion while the enemies would not. Well, three of them went down, and I survived with a single HP, but then a baby tank shot me from afar with an arrow.

The upshot of all of this is that I found a katana and a Bronzeward +2 on level 1 in my next attempt. So I feel fairly badass at the moment.

Also, can you sell items in this game? I'm swimming in wooden shields.

Parish
03-06-2008, 10:20 AM
I like the direction this thread has taken. Epitaphs = perfect. You guys get it!

You can sell stuff by dropping it on the floor a shop.

alexb
03-06-2008, 10:51 AM
I fell into a monster house...

Anyone willing to attempt a rescue?

Friend Code:
0559-6391-8178

Reluctant Hero
03-06-2008, 10:55 AM
Damn... I want to play so bad. My Gamefl copy will be her tomorrow. But Gamefly hasn't enabled the "Keep it" feature yet. Should I just go an outright buy this?

SlimJimm
03-06-2008, 11:08 AM
When i see this used at Gamestop (which Im sure there will be) I am so buying this.

Red Hedgehog
03-06-2008, 11:10 AM
Ah right, you sell stuff just like in Rogue. I didn't realize that and it totally would have helped me to sell some stuff.

My first character is still alive.

In the very first (real) dungeon, I encountered a girl who was having trouble seeing. Looking through my inventory, I thought a scroll of light might help, but I couldn't figure out how to give it to her. So I threw it at her.

Yeah, attacking NPCs is not a great idea, but I escaped and have made it to dungeon level 10. I grabbed the girl on the previous level and am escorting her around. I doubt she'll survive to the town, but there's always hope. The major bummer is that I have not encountered one additional weapon or shield yet, so I still just have a cudgel and wooden shield. And I just stepped on a rust trap. :(

I fell into a monster house...

Anyone willing to attempt a rescue?

Friend Code:
0559-6391-8178

I would be willing to attempt rescues, but I have to change my home router's wireless security in order to do so since the DS doesn't support WPA. Shouldn't people be saying what dungeon level they died on so we know if we have a good shot of rescuing?

alexb
03-06-2008, 11:12 AM
Buy it new. The print run's so small it might soon become more expensive to get it secondhand. Besides, if there's ever a game that needs your support it's this one.

LordGek
03-06-2008, 11:15 AM
Encountered my first death at level 8. Made it to 11, but found an item an NPC could use and decided to backtrack. First thing on that level I encountered was a Summon trap, so now I had 4 monsters on my tail. I retreated into a corridor and began wailing on the spike bomb at the head of the pack. The idea was that I would set it off and hopefully survive the explosion while the enemies would not. Well, three of them went down, and I survived with a single HP, but then a baby tank shot me from afar with an arrow.

The upshot of all of this is that I found a katana and a Bronzeward +2 on level 1 in my next attempt. So I feel fairly badass at the moment.

Also, can you sell items in this game? I'm swimming in wooden shields.

Realize that when a Bomb turns all red and is all about to blow it will cease moving. So a fun tactic could be to hit the bomb until it freezes, blocking the hallway, and then shoot it with arrows from a distance. While it would then only take out one baddy behind him in the hall, you could have been spared the blast (also this whole plan assumes you have some sort of arrows or some other ranged attack).

alexb
03-06-2008, 11:16 AM
True, and a good tactic, but I tried such a desperate plan because I had no more arrows.

Brickroad
03-06-2008, 11:17 AM
I really want to buy this game, but can't. I'm already overbudget on games as it is.

Maybe if I hadn't bought Audiosurf. =(

Is it okay if I just play Nethack instead? I promise I'll be with you guys in spirit.

Reluctant Hero
03-06-2008, 11:39 AM
Buy it new. The print run's so small it might soon become more expensive to get it secondhand. Besides, if there's ever a game that needs your support it's this one.

Allright... fine then. I called the Gamestop nearest my office and I'll be picking up a copy on my lunch. Please tell me manual is in full color...

alexb
03-06-2008, 11:41 AM
This is Sega we're talking about. So, uh, no. But it does have a great soundtrack by Dragon Quest's Koichi Sugiyama, if that helps.

Parish
03-06-2008, 11:44 AM
Bombs will explode if you throw excess inventory crap at them, too. I've exploded my fair share with shields and cudgels.

alexb
03-06-2008, 11:50 AM
Yeah, that would have been good to know.

LordGek
03-06-2008, 12:20 PM
Bombs will explode if you throw excess inventory crap at them, too. I've exploded my fair share with shields and cudgels.

And that is what makes this game so cool. Its simple (not as in easy, but its not weighed down by tons of stats and such) and yet it so open to incredibly twisted tactics.

Posaune
03-06-2008, 12:36 PM
I tried the translated SFC version last year, and, against my better judgment, I'll be joining in on my very first fun club.

Octopus Prime
03-06-2008, 12:53 PM
My EB didn't have it in, but they said it's on route, so I just have to keep trying. With all the moxie I can manage.

Alternatively, they also had a copy of Izuna, toying with my eyes. By appearances, it seems to be the inferior Rogue-like (and I only played it long enough to touch the second dungeon), but would that be a worthy alternative. Should I go Shiren-less?

Parish
03-06-2008, 12:55 PM
Even though Izuna was localized by our good friend Nich, I have to go with Shiren. It lacks the charm of Izuna's story but the gameplay is much better.

pence
03-06-2008, 01:13 PM
I eagerly await the final exam before spring break, so I can immediately pick up a copy of this game. I want to see how detailed I can make my epitaphs without devolving into fanfiction.

Shadax
03-06-2008, 02:25 PM
Shiren met his fate on floor six, after a fierce long range battle with several fire breathing mini-dragons. Alas, the poor wanderer was surrounded and unable to heal faster than the constant bombardment of flame. He has returned to Canyon Hamlet and will set out again after I finish my homework.

alexb
03-06-2008, 02:52 PM
Shiren also has 3 save slots, so if you've got another person who wants to play, it's possible.

Traumadore
03-06-2008, 03:07 PM
So does anyone else think the items you get from Fey's Problems are random? I have gotten one armband that prevents rust, and the ARMBAND OF SIGHT! It lets me see the location of monsters and items on every level (revealing any hidden shops and monster houses too). I am saving it for when I feel i'm in a gambling mood.

Also I realized I forgot to pick up my free big riceball on my 2nd and third games, not like it would have changed things. Also, if you don't backtrack, and you make use of the inns, I think it's possible to get to the end of the game with just one Big Riceball? I kind of had to the last time I played, and I was doing well.

Also I am a big fan of naked starts. Then you don't feel any pressure if you lose, and you probably stocked up the later warehouses while you're at it. Also I SWEAR I have better luck when I start with nothing!

Shadax
03-06-2008, 03:50 PM
Shiren didn't make the connection between an enemy named bomb and a massive explosion. After the point was forcefully driven home, he stumbled, with 1hp left, into a poison arrow trap.

LordGek
03-06-2008, 04:12 PM
So does anyone else think the items you get from Fey's Problems are random? I have gotten one armband that prevents rust, and the ARMBAND OF SIGHT! It lets me see the location of monsters and items on every level (revealing any hidden shops and monster houses too). I am saving it for when I feel i'm in a gambling mood.

Also I realized I forgot to pick up my free big riceball on my 2nd and third games, not like it would have changed things. Also, if you don't backtrack, and you make use of the inns, I think it's possible to get to the end of the game with just one Big Riceball? I kind of had to the last time I played, and I was doing well.

Also I am a big fan of naked starts. Then you don't feel any pressure if you lose, and you probably stocked up the later warehouses while you're at it. Also I SWEAR I have better luck when I start with nothing!

Then you will love Fay's Final Problem where you have no choice but to start naked...well not entirely, they toss you a big riceball but then you are on your own with the only exit at the end of 99 levels.

I'm with you on this, however. The dungeons that let you take items remind me of some open book test...since its ASSUMED you have all of the key equipment we might as well throw monsters at you that require +30 weapon and armor.

Eusis
03-06-2008, 04:42 PM
I decided to give the fantranslation another spin to see if I'd want to get this for the DS or not. The last time I tried this game I was annihilated on the first floor, probably by the first enemy I encountered, and I think it happened two times to boot. This time, I got to the fourth floor before dying and enjoyed it, so I may pick it up, especially after Alexb's post reminding me that this could become one of those hard to find games.

Posaune
03-06-2008, 04:49 PM
I had the Armband of Sight but then died before I got to the third town. Also, I had a nice weapon in the third town that I wished I could send back to the first, but I just warehoused it instead. The best part is that the delivery guy lives in that town and when you see him he says something along the lines of "Hey man I'm not working LOLOLOLOL" to spite you.

alexb
03-06-2008, 04:53 PM
Did anyone ever play the N64 sequel? How was it? Do you think they might bring that out next? And does anyone know whether there's any possiblity the GC Shiren 3 might come out domestically?

Octopus Prime
03-06-2008, 05:06 PM
Did anyone ever play the N64 sequel? How was it? Do you think they might bring that out next? And does anyone know whether there's any possiblity the GC Shiren 3 might come out domestically?

Given that Nintendo isn't especially fond of translating games for the VC, I'd say there's no chance of the N64 one out over here. And the odds are worse for the GC entry.

Eusis
03-06-2008, 05:12 PM
The N64 one could always be ported to the DS ala the first game, it's probably technically doable and depending on how the gameplay actually is perhaps it'd convert well. The GC one though, uhh... Yeah, I wouldn't bet on that short of a Wii port.

LordGek
03-06-2008, 05:22 PM
Did anyone ever play the N64 sequel? How was it? Do you think they might bring that out next? And does anyone know whether there's any possiblity the GC Shiren 3 might come out domestically?

I assume you mean the Wii version which won't even be out in Japan until End of June.

While some people liked the N64 version, I don't think it ever had a big following and assume that Shiren 3 is based more on this game and the Shiren released on the DC and PC (Shiren Asuka).

The N64 game tried to combine the Shiren series with some sort of castle building element. I gather these two elements just didn't combine that well.

Traumadore
03-06-2008, 05:57 PM
Judging by the @play columns, beating the final Fey's Problem almost requires that you learn how to break the game with some inventory trick. Like that's the "answer" to the puzzle. I forgot the specifics, and I don't much feel like looking it up at the moment.

I'm probly gonna get a wireless router this weekend so I can be on rescue duty next week. Then everyone can make a serious attempt at beating the main quest with a little spot here and there.

Parish
03-06-2008, 06:08 PM
I've read that some of those game-breaking elements no longer work in the DS version. You killed my father, prepare to die.

alexb
03-06-2008, 06:27 PM
Speaking of death, I still need somebody to rescue me.

reibeatall
03-06-2008, 06:35 PM
Let me add you, Alex.

reibeatall
03-06-2008, 06:39 PM
Ok, so add me and send a rescue request.

alexb
03-06-2008, 06:49 PM
I'm away from my DS right now. I'll be home in about an hour or so, though.

Also, I'll need your friend code for Shiren to add you.

reibeatall
03-06-2008, 07:19 PM
I'm away from my DS right now. I'll be home in about an hour or so, though.

Also, I'll need your friend code for Shiren to add you.

I need somebody to rescue me.

My friend code is 3780-8642-8001. What's yours?

Shadax
03-06-2008, 07:22 PM
I need a rescue!

4553-9591-2817

reibeatall
03-06-2008, 07:24 PM
Added you, CJ. Send me a request.

Shadax
03-06-2008, 07:35 PM
Added you, CJ. Send me a request.

It seems to not want to accept your friend code. I'll deal with it later. Thanks though.

Red Hedgehog
03-06-2008, 07:35 PM
On dungeon level 12, Shiren got ready to eat his last rice ball. Just as he was about to, a starving old man appeared and asked him if he could spare some rice. Always willing to give of himself, Shiren gave away his last rice ball. While he got a happiness herb in return, he was soon starving, his health weakening at each step. When almost dead, out of desperation he pressed one of his unidentified pots. It turned out to be a chiropractic pot, restoring his health and giving him some respite. He quickly raced through, knewing he needed to get to the next town in order to get some needed food. He managed to get up to level 14, but alas there a kigny and an inferno teamed up to kill the already weakened Shiren along with the girl he was escorting.

reibeatall
03-06-2008, 07:40 PM
It seems to not want to accept your friend code. I'll deal with it later. Thanks though.

That's because I typed it in wrong. Duh.

(I'm an idiot.)

3780-8642-8001

That one's fixed.

Shadax
03-06-2008, 07:52 PM
That's because I typed it in wrong. Duh.

(I'm an idiot.)

3780-8642-8001

That one's fixed.

Sent.

Are rescue numbers chronological? Because 0000-0000-0062 isn't very many at all.

reibeatall
03-06-2008, 07:53 PM
Crap, I'm going to have to make it to floor 16 first. If you can give me a while, I'll be able to.

Shadax
03-06-2008, 07:54 PM
Crap, I'm going to have to make it to floor 16 first. If you can give me a while, I'll be able to.

No big deal. Thanks

reibeatall
03-06-2008, 07:57 PM
Son of a bitch. I got blinded AGAIN!

Gredlen
03-06-2008, 09:00 PM
I'm waiting for an epic rescue story that pulls all of Talking Time in and leaves no survivors.

reibeatall
03-06-2008, 09:02 PM
I keep trying to get to the floor that CJ's on, but I KEEP DYING.

That's not so epic.

Gredlen
03-06-2008, 09:05 PM
So do you not lose all your progress when you're trying to rescue someone and die?

reibeatall
03-06-2008, 09:11 PM
You always lose your "progress." I just have to make it to the floor that CJ's on, but I keep trying to rush and I make dumb mistakes.

Shadax
03-06-2008, 09:14 PM
Take your time, i'm done for the night anyway.

alexb
03-06-2008, 09:45 PM
What floor is he on?

reibeatall
03-06-2008, 09:49 PM
16th floor.

alexb
03-06-2008, 09:58 PM
Rescue request sent. 77, eh? Yeah, that's really not a lot.

reibeatall
03-06-2008, 10:22 PM
I'm on the way, Alex.

Traumadore
03-06-2008, 11:03 PM
Alright, my one run tonight took me to 26F. I am warning you, once you get to the Valley of Illusions, you will be killed by a handfull of death angels swooping in for two attacks each right after you used every damn thing you got just to reach it.

Honestly though, It wouldn't have been so tough if I had a decent weapon and shield this time, and been a little higher level. My tendency to take the stairs the moment theres any hint of trouble cought up to my inventory eventually, too. I ran out of scrolls of sleep and confusion that would have helped too. At least this time I got showered with food when I was literally a few steps away from starving on 19F.

I am seeing in table mountain it is smarter to take the interior tunnels, as the outer ones can go around a loooong way before ending up anywhere. Just something to keep in mind when you get there.

reibeatall
03-06-2008, 11:06 PM
And now Alex has been saved! Go ahead and get the revival spell I sent you.

Traumadore
03-06-2008, 11:13 PM
Excellent! Do you have to start over after the rescue, or can you keep moving on from 16F?

reibeatall
03-06-2008, 11:53 PM
It starts you all over.

Reluctant Hero
03-07-2008, 12:24 AM
Parish, I love this game. Thank you!

Death has not claimed me yet. But here is my friend code none-the-less: 4253-3115-4891

Warg
03-07-2008, 12:31 AM
The heaps of praise piled on this game here, along with the magic words of "low print run," sent me on a frantic search for the game 9 minutes before most stores closed. (CJ's cry for help was also a motivating factor -- though, it dawned on me that I most likely wouldn't've been able to reach the 16th floor on my first few tries.)

Sadly, the closest game store to me didn't have it, but at least my search of other stores wasn't completely fruitless: thanks to this search, I managed to stumble upon F-Zero GX new for five bucks.

My search for this game continues tomorrow -- and in stores that are more likely to have it!

Shadax
03-07-2008, 12:39 AM
(CJ's cry for help was also a motivating factor -- though, it dawned on me that I most likely wouldn't've been able to reach the 16th floor on my first few tries.)

Actually, I got to the 16th floor on my fourth try. I've been documenting every death here, with the exception of the starvation death that occurred on floor 4 because I misclicked "back" and not a single food item had been spawned.

EDIT: I really wish this game had multiple save slots so I could get in a few practice naked runs while waiting for rei to ride in on silver weasel and rescue me.

Parish
03-07-2008, 12:45 AM
Tragically, Dr. Toasty's first run on his brand new cartridge ended ignominiously -- the card popped out of the DS in transit and all progress was lost. His second adventure ended even more pitifully, though, as he died of greed. And shamefully. With a lost little girl in tow at the end of F11, he arrived at the stairs to the next level where her parents awaited. But surrounding the stairs were all sorts of goods, including Big Rice Balls (a necessity, his rice stockpile having been stolen by a couple of thieving walruses and destroyed by some idiot potter who threw his rice-filled Jar of Holding at the wall). But as he reached for the goods, a Tiger Uno appeared, along with several other enemies. Dr. Toasty calmly unleashed a Blastwave scroll, annihilating two foes and wounding the rest. Unfortunately, one of the survivors was the Tiger Uno, who tossed the other weakened monster at Dr. Toasty -- instantly killing the creature and promoting the Tiger Uno. Which restored its health. Sweating a bit, Dr. Toasty headed for the stairs, but the enhanced tiger pounced on the girl without mercy. She died in two hits, and the enemy rose another level. Two swipes knocked Dr. Toasty to critical. The coup de grace: a floating pumpkin wandered into the tiger's range and quickly became an anti-Dr. Toasty projectile. The attack knocked the hero to 1 HP, but the stairway was only one space away... but before he could move, the pumpkin lashed out with an attack of its own, and Dr. Toasty was down for the count. His Katana+3 and Iron Shield+2 will be sorely missed.

Edit: Sheesh, that was way too long. What the hell, Parish.

Traumadore
03-07-2008, 01:13 AM
Man that is hilariously bad circumstances. That's why this game is so great, Something stupid is going to happen to you, but when? I couldn't believe I bit it so hard on 8F on my second try after getting to 20F somewhat easily on my very first life. And then it took me 4 more games to surpass that point. I'll have another tale of woe for you all tomorrow, I'm sure.

Also I noticed there is no mention of scribing scrolls, which I thought was supposed to be in this game. Has anyone found a blank scroll yet?

Also I think it's mandatory that everyone die a few early deaths because they didn't take the damn stairs. I am perhaps too skittish though, and I ended up rather under-levelled last game.

Shadax
03-07-2008, 01:25 AM
Congratulations to our own Lord Gek for being #66 on the leader board. That's the only name I recognized, although I'm sure a few of us are up there under the name Shiren, who makes up 90% of the rankings. A cautionary tale for you to not use the default name, perhaps?

While it will be downright frosty in hell before it happens, if you see C!J! up there, you'll know it's me.

EDIT: Dont worry about rescuing me rei. I appreciate the effort, but I realize that I was horribly underlevelled anyway (level 13) and didn't have many items worth bothering with, so I'm going to go ahead and start over and save my rescues for when I need them.

Torgo
03-07-2008, 01:49 AM
You guys are making me want to spend thirty dollars that I shouldn't.

Stop it, guys.

Shadax
03-07-2008, 01:54 AM
You guys are making me want to spend thirty dollars that I shouldn't.

Stop it, guys.

Well, if it helps, the game just made me murder my little brother in an attempt to survive.

I still died, but at least I have the blood of one of the worst npcs in roguelike history on my hands.

EDIT: I can say with confidence that you should suffer at the hands of the masseuse and the friendly young lady as soon as possible. However, I still don't see the point in helping out your brother, short of the joy of fratricide.

Shadax
03-07-2008, 03:24 AM
C!J! found himself in an unwinnable situation after his jar of food items was cruelly stolen from him. Faint from hunger, he fell at the hands of a blazepuff and a fluffy bunny, in a fate best described as "demeaning." He is survived by a talking weasel, and a respectable ranking at 45 on the monthly leaderboard

EDIT: Even more embarrassing would be his next death. On floor one of the dungeon, after being immediately set upon by Mamels, C!J! was able to claw through with one HP left. Setting foot what he hoped was a medicine herb, he made it one tile before hitting a stumble trap and dying.

Dadgum Roi
03-07-2008, 06:50 AM
I met an ignominious early death at the hands of a Snaky. I haven't even been into the damn dungeon yet.

LordGek
03-07-2008, 06:54 AM
Congratulations to our own Lord Gek for being #66 on the leader board. That's the only name I recognized, although I'm sure a few of us are up there under the name Shiren, who makes up 90% of the rankings. A cautionary tale for you to not use the default name, perhaps?

While it will be downright frosty in hell before it happens, if you see C!J! up there, you'll know it's me.

EDIT: Dont worry about rescuing me rei. I appreciate the effort, but I realize that I was horribly underlevelled anyway (level 13) and didn't have many items worth bothering with, so I'm going to go ahead and start over and save my rescues for when I need them.

Grumble grumble, I was 60th when I posted it...those dang whipper snappers...but then if that same score suddenly became 55th...that wouldn't make much sense.

Oh, xould people please mention their Shiren tag if DIFFERENT from your handle here? Since some of your handles here don't even fit, I'll bet you go by a different name in Shiren-land.

Sporophyte
03-07-2008, 07:18 AM
My best game last night had me with a Katana +3 and an Iron Shield +4. All was going so well. I had the company of a dangerous woman who routinely killed anything too powerful for me to face on my own and I had found a lost little girl as well. But I made a tragic mistake and neglected to stay at the inn and halfway through floor 11 my stomach started to growl. With no food on hand I decided to make a run for it. 11 is cleared easily, 12 spawns the stairs directly next to me, but then I get to 13. The exit nowhere in sight I rush onward through the faintness hoping for some sort of miracle. But it was not to be. I was cornered by an infernal and losing so in desperation I used the only attack item remaining to me: the dragon herb. Fire on a fire elemental is an all around bad idea. He leveled up, I was cooked.

Red Hedgehog
03-07-2008, 07:34 AM
So how do you help the little girl who can't see?

I've died twice more, once on the first level because a stupid woman blinded me, grrr! And another time on the 8th level or so because I got overconfident around a death reaper.

But I'm now at the first town with brother in tow.

EDIT: My game save is named Gertrude but everyone in game still calls me Shiren. Will Gertrude show up on the leaderboards when I finally get online?

Sprite
03-07-2008, 07:59 AM
I don't think I've ever had this much fun in a game where you're always two steps from death. All the deaths due to foolishness or bad luck stink but it just makes those narrow escapes all the better.

Too bad I won't be able to play this game for a week, as I'll be gone... I'm expecting all of you to be a bastion of information when I get back. I want to beat this game someday.

LordGek
03-07-2008, 08:25 AM
My best game last night had me with a Katana +3 and an Iron Shield +4. All was going so well. I had the company of a dangerous woman who routinely killed anything too powerful for me to face on my own and I had found a lost little girl as well. But I made a tragic mistake and neglected to stay at the inn and halfway through floor 11 my stomach started to growl. With no food on hand I decided to make a run for it. 11 is cleared easily, 12 spawns the stairs directly next to me, but then I get to 13. The exit nowhere in sight I rush onward through the faintness hoping for some sort of miracle. But it was not to be. I was cornered by an infernal and losing so in desperation I used the only attack item remaining to me: the dragon herb. Fire on a fire elemental is an all around bad idea. He leveled up, I was cooked.

And yet, if we learned anything from Fay's Challenges, throwing a Dragon Breath Herb can kill them (at least in their first level form).

LordGek
03-07-2008, 09:05 AM
I've read that some of those game-breaking elements no longer work in the DS version. You killed my father, prepare to die.

Yeah, while I do thank many subtle tweaks were made to make Table Mountain a little easier, the main loophole addressed in the @Play Column no longer works in Fay's Final Problem!

Brickroad
03-07-2008, 09:29 AM
I don't think I've ever had this much fun in a game where you're always two steps from death. All the deaths due to foolishness or bad luck stink but it just makes those narrow escapes all the better.

What do you think is the ratio of deaths that are your fault and deaths that are the game's fault? The reason Nethack is so addicting is that less than 5% (and that might be an overestimate) of my deaths are due to plain bad luck -- there's almost ALWAYS something I could have done.

Parish
03-07-2008, 10:18 AM
So how do you help the little girl who can't see?
Oblique answer: throwing items isn't strictly an offensive move; beneficial items can confer beneficial effects on their target. Direct answer: Throw an Herb of Sight at her.

Sporophyte
03-07-2008, 10:58 AM
I've done the first 20 or so of fay's challenges but I still don't really know how I am supposed to get around monsters who can 1-shot me. Any challenge that I've cleared which required this skill was the result of a lucky miss (like the dodge the cannonball mission). What am I missing? I'm stuck on the mission 2 staves because the crab thing always kills me in 4 turns and I never even see the titular staves.

Falselogic
03-07-2008, 11:26 AM
I'm still on my first run in the 15th dungeon I believe. The most interesting thing to have happened to me though was I was in a forest with wizards and evil soldiers. I was low on health and the wizard kept transporting me around with his wand. So there these two were wailing on me a wizard and a evil soldier. I die, which levels up the Wizard, somehow I become a evil soldier (did I inadvertently eat one? I still have no idea how this happened) then he kills me as the evil soldier which levels him up again! Then I turn into the soldier ghost and possess the level 3 wizard! The rest of the stage was pretty easy once that had happened. Then I turned myself back into myself (using a command from the menu) and I was back to normal me with full health!

Weird and awesome and totally random, anyone know how I did this?

LordGek
03-07-2008, 11:51 AM
I'm still on my first run in the 15th dungeon I believe. The most interesting thing to have happened to me though was I was in a forest with wizards and evil soldiers. I was low on health and the wizard kept transporting me around with his wand. So there these two were wailing on me a wizard and a evil soldier. I die, which levels up the Wizard, somehow I become a evil soldier (did I inadvertently eat one? I still have no idea how this happened) then he kills me as the evil soldier which levels him up again! Then I turn into the soldier ghost and possess the level 3 wizard! The rest of the stage was pretty easy once that had happened. Then I turned myself back into myself (using a command from the menu) and I was back to normal me with full health!

Weird and awesome and totally random, anyone know how I did this?

You were just the hapless victim of the MAD WIZARD! One of the wand effects is to transmorgify you into a random monster (I assume something found on that level). Once transformed into the Evil Soldier it was just as if you ate the Evil Soldier meat and their ONLY wacky power is to be reborn as a ghost when they die...which in this case means you then became that ghost and the ghost's power is the ability to jump into any host and take them over (but sadly without the leveling up part). What a wild ride! Good call on your part not to simply end it when changed into the Evil Soldier (which you could have done your very first turn, just like you did at the end).

You already have learned some KEY tactics for when you take on the Kitchen Shrine Dungeon Post Story!

Reluctant Hero
03-07-2008, 11:52 AM
Quick question, should I always store all my gear in the warehouse before I "quit" (and save) the game? Thanks.

LordGek
03-07-2008, 11:56 AM
Quick question, should I always store all my gear in the warehouse before I "quit" (and save) the game? Thanks.

Err, whatever you carry on your person is also safe BUT anything left on the ground in town will be gone once you reload.

Falselogic
03-07-2008, 12:03 PM
Vale met his first death by "corrupted save data, restarting game" ... Back at Bamboo village. Question: is the 8th mission by Fey just random? also on 10 how do you avoid the tank?

Reluctant Hero
03-07-2008, 12:09 PM
Err, whatever you carry on your person is also safe BUT anything left on the ground in town will be gone once you reload.

So as long as it's in the actual warehouse building, I'm good, right? Because I remember reading something about a "pot", "vase", of "jar" where I supposed to store things and I couldn't access anything like that in the warehouse. So I just dropped my loot on the warehouse floor.

Falselogic
03-07-2008, 12:34 PM
So as long as it's in the actual warehouse building, I'm good, right? Because I remember reading something about a "pot", "vase", of "jar" where I supposed to store things and I couldn't access anything like that in the warehouse. So I just dropped my loot on the warehouse floor.

Carrying even more stuff. So if there's no room in the warehouse you can put stuff in a pot and then put the pot in the warehouse.

alexb
03-07-2008, 01:02 PM
Thanks for the rescue last night. But I blew it again on the 9th floor. Another summon trap, another ass beating. Rescue...?

Parish
03-07-2008, 01:08 PM
I don't think Fay's puzzles are random, but they are affected by random elements. I've had traps fail to trigger.

Discovery: throwing herbs at NPCs will confer those effects, but the same is not true of rice balls! I met a dog who mentioned that vagabonds sometimes give him rice so I threw a ball at him thinking it would initiate a sidequest. Instead it damaged him and he attacked me, so I had to put ol' Yeller down.

Also, I survived a Monster House for the first time today. I'd already kind of decided that this wasn't a serious playthrough and left a bunch of goods in a warehouse, forging on with very little in my inventory. And suddenly I found a room full of skull mages and bombs, so I backed off. But a skull mage zapped me and I ended up across the map, which gave the monsters time to disperse throughout the level so I could pick them off one at a time and return to plunder the room. Suddenly this might actually be a serious playthrough! And I wish I hadn't left all my rice in the warehouse.

Sporophyte
03-07-2008, 01:24 PM
I just got killed fairly early on but I had a plated +3 bronzeward and +3 katana. Is anyone around to rescue me? My friend code is 0216-0425-9367.

Stupid leveled up skull wizard...

LordGek
03-07-2008, 01:29 PM
I don't think Fay's puzzles are random, but they are affected by random elements. I've had traps fail to trigger.

Discovery: throwing herbs at NPCs will confer those effects, but the same is not true of rice balls! I met a dog who mentioned that vagabonds sometimes give him rice so I threw a ball at him thinking it would initiate a sidequest. Instead it damaged him and he attacked me, so I had to put ol' Yeller down.

Also, I survived a Monster House for the first time today. I'd already kind of decided that this wasn't a serious playthrough and left a bunch of goods in a warehouse, forging on with very little in my inventory. And suddenly I found a room full of skull mages and bombs, so I backed off. But a skull mage zapped me and I ended up across the map, which gave the monsters time to disperse throughout the level so I could pick them off one at a time and return to plunder the room. Suddenly this might actually be a serious playthrough! And I wish I hadn't left all my rice in the warehouse.

A cute artifact of Monster Houses, that seems to carry through in all of the Mystery Dungeon games is the fact that if you step into a Monster House you then suddenly are granted "Creature ESP" for the rest of the level. You don't normally know the location of all monsters on the level map.

I also love the image I get there from what you just described:

Monster House Leader: "Okay gang, we know he's out there. Spread out and find him!"

alexb
03-07-2008, 01:41 PM
I'll rescue you, once someone rescues me.

Posaune
03-07-2008, 01:45 PM
An Infernal/Fire Priest killed me in the mines when I got too cocky, which is irritating as I had an NPC that could've blocked and done the fighting for me. Irritating!

Basically, the entire point of my playthroughs now are to get to the third town where the warehouse is, take my scythe out of the warehouse, level it up at the smithys, return it to the warehouse, and try to get a feel for the mines. Eventually I will take this godly weapon out of the warehouse, venture forth, die, and probably stop playing the game since I am a big baby.

Sporophyte
03-07-2008, 01:48 PM
I'll rescue you, once someone rescues me.

Edit: I just read your last post. maybe i'll just give up on being rescued and try to rescue you.

Sprite
03-07-2008, 01:54 PM
Alas! Poor Shiren! Skull-bashed by a Chain Head on Floor 17 of Table Mountain. His quest had seen good luck until then, as he found many Chiropractic Pots to restore his health and Postpone Staves to warp an enemy to the exit. Little did he now that that stave would be his undoing!

Ambushed by many enemies in the corridor, Shiren showed intuitiveness through use of a Switch Stave and Sleeping Scroll. Eventually the monsters were all stuck behind blissfully sleeping poultry, so Shiren was free to run for the exit. But oh! He forgot! He had hit a Chain Head with a Postpone Stave and the monster was now paralyzed on the exit. Shiren had no choice but to fight.

"No matter," he thought, "I'll simply pick him off with iron arrows."

Foolish! For you see, the Chain Head, while merely threatening at close range, becomes absolutely deadly at long range. The beast threw its head forward, and in two turns, the quest was finished. Failure.

he could've just used the switch stave again

WreckTheLaw
03-07-2008, 02:03 PM
You bastards and your Shiren talk made me bite the bullet and sign up for an account here. I'll post my FC when I get home, but in any case, I'm currently dead and awaitng a rescue.

Hokousha Shiren (Or is Shiren his surname? *strokes chin*) had abandoned his young charge after falling into a trap, which led to a Monster House. Managing to weaken most of his enemies there using a blastwave scroll, he swept them away one by one. Howver, a level three Kigny seemed like it would be too much, and so Shiren froze him in place with a paralyze staff. Three floors later, and trapped between a wall, a tank, and a Kigny level 4, Shiren met his end. Sometimes it's the small fights that getcha.

Oh, in case anyone else would like to help rescue me, my traveler's name is Hokousha and the password is

32JV2 JF96 H8V18
1FP9F 17FY S1KBV
BXHST T4RV JJS1!
VFZ5Q 3035 ZM200

Edit:
hm

I just checked, and it generated a different password when I requested this time... Now it's

H!!43 W1t0 B8NHR
0DB84 YZ7Z SV5DF
F18C9 KL0G 1LCHP
B599N JHVL 7FD20

Weird...

Eusis
03-07-2008, 02:22 PM
In case anyone cares, according to fido on CAG a bunch of Fry's have this on sale for $24.99. Specifically, DFW, HOU, IL and LA, while SJ has it for full price.

SEanEF
03-07-2008, 03:49 PM
Yeah it was in the large, 8pg Friday (Fry-day?) ad they put in the Mercury News every week for $30.

I got bored with Izuna after a while and never finished it but this sounds a lot more interesting. I may have to pick it up now... you bastards.

Rev. Ragu
03-07-2008, 04:11 PM
This is probably one of my top five games ever, and ever since I got a DS I've felt like it was just begging and pleading for it. Certainly, I've already put probably a hundred hours into the translated ROM, but what's another hundred, hundred and fifty?

First try: Got through the tutorial without a hitch, obviously. Got to town, impatiently checked everything out, stacked my inventory with the better stuff from the tutorial dungeon and... Died two minutes into the first floor. By a Mamul. Yes, I forgot to equip anything and I dashed into the stage like an idiot and now have the most humiliating entry in my rankings that someone who has already sunk a ridiculous amount of time into the game could possibly attain. I'm leaving it there just as a reminder.

Second time, I have a pretty good run. I find an Iron Shield past the first village, lots of strength herbs and Chiropractic(?) Pots (still not used to the new names), can't find any weapons but I grab a Polearm around level 10 or 11. Things are going pretty well, I stumble into a monster house, handily bottleneck the enemies and snag some decent loot. Intentionally fall into a trap-door, fight off a fairly nasty ambush at the bottom with the skillful application of a Sleep Scroll, and find the little girl. Now, my goal is to get to the town as quickly as possible before she dies. Shouldn't be a problem if I just beeline for the stairs, right?

Oh, okay, so the stairs are in another monster house. And the first tile in the monster house muddled me, and now I can't see which monster I'm fighting properly. And tanks are firing at me, one of which finishes off four or five other enemies and upgrades. Girl is toast, obviously. My last chance is to swing the teleport staff I picked up and use-labelled, get the tank out of my way, and rush the stairs.

Oh dear, looks like I labelled the wrong staff! I swing my improperly labeled Swap Staff at the tank and switch positions. I survive one more turn, and I am desperately searching through my inventory for something to save my butt. Too bad I used that Sleep Scroll I had in the last ambush!

I die. floor 12, by a Cranky Tank. Gosh, I still love this game.

Octopus Prime
03-07-2008, 04:35 PM
Shiren felt rather confident about himself, for his first ascent into the Dungeon. Effortlessly defeating undead soldiers, necromancers, bandits and very, very small tanks. His hubris was his downfall, sadly, as a small cloaked figure ran out and stabbed him good and dead at the entrance to Level 12.

Based on my limited time, this seems to be one of, if not the, best rogue like I've played on any console. So that's nice.

Eusis
03-07-2008, 04:59 PM
Having called Fry's, my local one is selling it for $29.99. I guess I'll just go get it at GameStop or something then.

LordGek
03-07-2008, 05:01 PM
Shiren felt rather confident about himself, for his first ascent into the Dungeon. Effortlessly defeating undead soldiers, necromancers, bandits and very, very small tanks. His hubris was his downfall, sadly, as a small cloaked figure ran out and stabbed him good and dead at the entrance to Level 12.

Based on my limited time, this seems to be one of, if not the, best rogue like I've played on any console. So that's nice.

There is so much depth to it...but at the same time it is so elegant and streamlined compared to say something like NetHack.

ringworm
03-07-2008, 05:03 PM
I hate you guys.

I had absolutely no intention of picking up this game just because I already have a ton of games I'm currently playing through (Etrian Odyssey, Apollo Justice, MGS3, and a resurrected WoW addiction), but goddammit you've made this game sound great, and I don't want to miss out on playing it with TTers.

Going to try to grab it after work when I put in my FES preorder.

alexb
03-07-2008, 05:06 PM
Congratulations, Parish. You've increased this game's sales by 40% alone.

Octopus Prime
03-07-2008, 05:08 PM
Don't blame us, blame Parish for pointing out how dang awesome this game is. If he didn't do his job, it would have toiled in obscurity and we'd all be richer* for it!

That said: I've decided to go back and try Fays challenges again. It kind of sucks to be shot by a cannon. Or be near a detonating cannonball.

*financially. By about $30. Not morally richer. Because we wouldn't be.

Parish
03-07-2008, 05:34 PM
I figure Sega owes me one for this.

By the way, that not-serious run I mentioned before, the one that turned awesome, became double awesome when I finally managed to get the lost little girl home. And I managed to plate my weapons, so the swamp has been a joke. Downside: I plated a cudgel 'cause nothing better has shown up. What a waste.

alexb
03-07-2008, 06:05 PM
Had a nice riceball
And yet fate did cruelly curse
Thusly did I starve

...Rescue? Floor 12, incidentally.

Parish
03-07-2008, 06:13 PM
My session is now considerably less awesome since I have 15 fullness and a frickin' walrus stole my big rice ball right before I ate it. Here is hoping that this town I have reached in the middle of Table Mountain sells food or else it's gonna be a sad, short trip.

Octopus Prime
03-07-2008, 06:20 PM
Does letting the old man who appears wanting a Rice Ball starve to death have any negative consequences? Besides, you know, letting an old man starve to death?

Because choosing between his withered old-man well being and my +3 Halberd, well, you know.

Rev. Ragu
03-07-2008, 06:35 PM
Floor 18. Had a good run, but I knew it wouldn't be The Run. Stashed the Mastersword I managed to grab in the Peak warehouse for future upgrading, pulled out the Wood Shield I had stashed there before, and went on my merry way. Judicious item use got me through the caves, to the third village, and into table mountain - rust traps and the swamps "rusted" my wood shield, so I ditched it around 15. Bare handed and naked, with nothing but an antidrain armband on my wrist, I entered Table Mountain with great trepidation, like a condemned man en route to the gallows. Well, I made a heroic effort, but like others before me, I misjudged the Chainhead, and my adventure came to an abrupt, tragic end on floor 18.

#62 on the weekly rankings though! Out of the 150 people who actually bought the game, (l o l). Well, in this early stage, I doubt it's any great feat to get into a middling position on a leaderboard, but still! I'M AWESOME.

Octopus Prime
03-07-2008, 06:45 PM
Not one for altruism when it threatened his own wealth, Shiren decided to let several old men die of starvation in lieu of starving himself and losing all his powerful items. His greed did know a limit however, and he did selflessly decide to escort a little girl (who had inexplicably gotten lost in the middle of a cave full of monsters) safely to the next town. Fortune would not be so kind, as a gigantic cannon firing monstrosity not only blew the little girl to pieces, but a weakened and starving Shiren as well.

Yeah. So... I like my Spear. It's got a bunch of Pluses on it and my shield's pretty swanky for this stage of the game as well. Could someone be a pal and save my ass?

4511-0104-6936

Traumadore
03-07-2008, 06:46 PM
what ranking would a 320k point game net me if I could access the leaderboards? When I do get it hooped up my tag will be Colin.

The 2 Staffs puzzle. Wait on your side of the puddle, until the crab tries to go around, then go the other way, he will follow one space behind you. Take the diagonal path through the traps to the bottom of the next room, go down the hall and find the two staffs, you can do the rest.

In puzzle 8, Up to Fate, there is a spring trap in the upper corner, use the herb of sight to see it. It can send you to a number of rooms, but eventually you will get sent to the stairs. If the trap doesnt work when you step on it, just keep walking on it till it triggers.

Shadax
03-07-2008, 07:10 PM
Yeah. So... I like my Spear. It's got a bunch of Pluses on it and my shield's pretty swanky for this stage of the game as well. Could someone be a pal and save my ass?

4511-0104-6936

What floor are you on?

4553-9591-2817

Octopus Prime
03-07-2008, 07:27 PM
12 or 13, I believe

Shadax
03-07-2008, 07:32 PM
12 or 13, I believe
I have somewhere to be in an hour, but I'll try until then.

Octopus Prime
03-07-2008, 07:33 PM
My many pluses of spear and shield would appreciate it.

Sporophyte
03-07-2008, 07:49 PM
I just had a sweet run making it down to Level 24 and scoring 339787 points to be ranked 41 on the leaderboards. I managed to get the melding pot and rescue the little girl this run and now I've got a +11 mastersword with bonus damage against ghost and flying enemies sitting in the warehouse. I really wanna get the razor wind ability on that bad boy. Anyone waiting on a rescue still?

Shadax
03-07-2008, 07:55 PM
Anyone waiting on a rescue still?

Things are looking grim on my rescue of Octopus Prime, so it probably wouldn't hurt to give him a shot.

Sporophyte
03-07-2008, 07:59 PM
I'd be happy to try. How do I find his request? I've only rescued random people up to this point.

Traumadore
03-07-2008, 08:14 PM
I just left the Maintain Stream Village, and floor 22 is another Great Hall/Monster House level. I feel completely confident, but lets see how this breaks down.

Whew, no problem. It was mostly Mecharids, so they just put down traps, I popped an herb of sight, and took everything down with a leg up from a blast wave to kill the annoyers.

Rev. Ragu
03-07-2008, 08:19 PM
Another double monster house demise. Stepped into one, Blastwave'd my way out, walked down the stairs and right into one giant monster house where I was promptly blown away by long-range tank fire.
Judging from my limited experience, monster houses seem like they generate a lot more frequently in the caves than they did in the original game.

Shadax
03-07-2008, 08:25 PM
O.P., you failed to mention that your corpse was in a Monster House

Eusis
03-07-2008, 08:30 PM
Picked up the game, my Friend Code is 4854-6079-5451, and I just stuck with the default Shiren.

Parish
03-07-2008, 09:07 PM
Dr. Spite is a man who knows his limits. He went in for a "naked' run, and by the time he had reached the 10th floor without finding anything more powerful than a basic cudgel was content to accept that this trip wouldn't take him very far. And yet, he kept going -- he even managed to rescue a little girl along the way. And soon he found himself at a village hidden deep inside Table Mountain and was shocked to realize that he was well along his way. He rested up, bought a giant riceball and a big belly seed to sustain him to the 30th floor and headed out. He was still using just a cudgel and blast shield, but they were plated -- they'd survived being cursed in the mines, being rusted in the swamps, and other dire fates. He was growing attached to them, and kept a warehouse jar on hand to send them back if the worst happened.

Then he reached the 26th floor. On a narrow bridge, he found himself surrounded by a pair of knights who hit him -- not for damage, but to send his trusty weapons flying. Disarmed, he knew he didn't have a chance and ducked inside a pot of hiding. The knights wandered away, but when he emerged a death ghost found him and made short work of him. It hurt to fall so close to the goal -- but still, not bad for a trip that wasn't supposed to reach even the tenth floor.

Ilchymis
03-07-2008, 09:08 PM
Thinking about picking this up as well. It looks like too much fun to pass up. The Super Mario Bros. analogy finally clicked in my head, and I'm thinking this game might actually have some great stuff to offer. I was scared, but I just may try.

Traumadore
03-07-2008, 09:13 PM
Oh hey guys, it's my seventh attempt and I just reached floor 30, The Golden City. By the way the three "Trials" 26F-29F, are bitch hos. In case you're wondering, I found 21 charges of chiropractic pots, several holding pots, about a dozen staffs, etc. Fought through several monster houses. The trials still left me remarkably drained, but I have a blank scroll that I plan to genocide the last boss with.

Update: Well, i'll have to figure something else out. I see the boss, but I just created a Blank:invalid. Yay!

After a desperate stuggle throughout 30F, beset on all sides by tigers and yes those effing skull mages, Colin ran out of his already much depleted healing supplies and was overcome mainly by being tossed around like a ragdoll and being slowed/confused. At least he wasn't turned into a riceball. At least he died having seen the Golden City.

Parish
03-07-2008, 09:35 PM
I believe you need to have discovered a scroll in the course of your adventure before you can inscribe its name on a blank.

Traumadore
03-07-2008, 10:57 PM
Gol dern. Well, i'm taking the cook to mountain town now, and the our blinding ladyfriend is tagging along too. Smooooth sailing.

Eusis
03-07-2008, 11:01 PM
I got up to floor 8, and found the girl I had to escort back. As I was going around and barely surviving, I tried using the hiding jar and she seemed to have vanished. After popping out too soon to heal, I roamed a bit trying to find her... then set off a trap. The trap summoned several Death Reapers and some mage enemy, and Shiren was destroyed while attempting to escape, barely standing a chance.

I decided just save the rescue ticket despite having a polearm +3, and started over. Now that the money's gone, I decided to try the challenges and cleared ten of them before re-entering the dungeon.

Traumadore
03-07-2008, 11:46 PM
Upon entering 15F, Colin finds himself in another Monster Great Hall. He ate a sight herb and used a power up scroll to prepare for the onslaught. things quickly spiralled out of control as the popster tanks' shots caused the Infernos to divide in two. The rest is forgotten history.

Reluctant Hero
03-08-2008, 12:09 AM
Billy decides to escort a young girl through the mines. He came upon a monster house and thought he could sneak by them all with a sleep scroll. Just when he though his trick had succeeded, he stepped on a slow trap and several monsters awoke killing both Billy and the young, crying , girl.

So.... anyone down for a rescue?

0000-0000-0279

Rev. Ragu
03-08-2008, 12:12 AM
After scoring some fully decent gear early on - a Katana+1, which I later upgraded to a Katana+3, and an Iron Shield - I confidently tackled the caves. Stumbling into another massive monster house, I refused to be the victim this time, and the floor fell to my Blastwave. I found the little girl, but then stumbled on a spring trap and briefly lost her; in a panicked search for her I feared I had lost too much precious time (and nutrition), but it all worked out. With the little girl, I beelined to the exits, and managed to get her home safe and sound. Well equipped, stocked with five Holding Pots full of goods, and full of good food, I set out to tackle Table Mountain once again.

Table Mountain had me using inventory faster than I can replace it, but I still wasn't in utterly dire straits. My Chiropractic Pots ran low, though, as did my herb supply, and I found myself on floor 20 furtively eluding encounters when I could. I thought I could hold out - but then, feeling I desperately needed to restock my inventory, I made the decision to keep exploring. With my hit points hovering around twenty, I limped into an unknown chamber, only to be greeted by the chained head of yet another, er, Chainhead. Floor 20 is now the tomb of this incarnation of Rev, a well stocked, well prepared adventurer who just happened to be in the wrong place at the wrong time.

Tried out the rescue function, but ehhh, I lost patience. Maybe next time. I'm not too pleased about the game cheating me out of my score, though.

Lakupo
03-08-2008, 12:21 AM
So, I caved and ran out and got this, despite Brawl coming out tomorrow. I'll make up for it by selling a few games I can feel like parting with. (mainly for being so damn disappointing: Yoshi's Island DS and Super Paper Mario).

My first attempt ended on the seventh floor when a possessed Rice Boss and his two rice goons cornered me and turned me into a rice ball. So I got the "killed while transformed" acheivement pretty early! The rice ball is so much cuter in the DS version than the original.

I kind of feel like the enemy spawn rate on the first few floors has been lowered, but perhaps the ability to backtrack early on (holy crap I'm not used to that) makes up for it.

Carrying even more stuff. So if there's no room in the warehouse you can put stuff in a pot and then put the pot in the warehouse.

The SFC version was explicit about not putting jars in warehouses that have things in them, or the contests will disappear. This might have changed, but I don't want to test it out.

I added everyone's friend code that I could see, and mine is 3222-5205-5679. I don't think I'll go for rescues a lot (just because I'm already kind of used to the transient nature of stuff in this game), but I'd be glad to do some rescuing when possible. :)

Oh, and Eusis, change your log book name (it won't change the name of Shiren in-game) so you'll be identifiable on the leaderboard. :)

So.... anyone down for a rescue?

0000-0000-0279

It says your friend code is invalid... it does look pretty sparse!

...Wait, nevermind, I'm dumb, that's a rescue request number!!

pence
03-08-2008, 12:45 AM
Pence, whose companion Koppa looked more or less like his forum avatar, stumbled his way all the way to level 12 without really knowing what he was doing. As he descended the stairs, he found himself surrounded by enemies. Deciding descretion was the better part of valor, he used a staff of knockback and ran... straight into a dead-end corridor.

This is awesome. I'm helping out my uh... brother. His idle animation, where he swings his arms in an extremely exaggerated manner, is pretty goofy. I managed to get Oryu to join my party (also worth a chuckle). On my first playthrough, I was experimenting with jars, filled one up with herbs, and then walked into Gaibara's house. SPOILER: That ungrateful bastard broke my jar! Against his wall! Arrrgh!

Fay's puzzles work really well as a 'tutorial' that is actually fun to play. Teaching you to throw staves and demonstrating how to eat enemies for fun and profit. I've done 40/50 of them so far.

Oh, and I'm living in fear of this little part of the online help file:

Gust of Wind: If you spend too much time on one floor of a dungeon, a gust of wind will blow and take you back to the Canyon Hamlet. It's better to get to the next floor before that wind blows.

Lakupo
03-08-2008, 12:59 AM
[COLOR="Red"]Oh, and I'm living in fear of this little part of the online help file:

Gust of Wind: If you spend too much time on one floor of a dungeon, a gust of wind will blow and take you back to the Canyon Hamlet. It's better to get to the next floor before that wind blows.

In the original, there were a couple of warning gusts before the big "Timer up!" gust comes. I never really saw it, even when spending a while leveling up early on. I assume it's still the case in this version. You should have time to escape it.

Reluctant Hero
03-08-2008, 01:10 AM
So I gave up on waiting to be rescued. But what the hell?! I put a bunch of items in the mountain village store house, and they didn't show up in canyon hamlet.

I thought the warehouses were linked through the whole game?!

Christ, I may as well start the game over from scratch now, I can't past the 1st floor with a weapon or shield....

Lakupo
03-08-2008, 01:21 AM
Wow, I actually managed to get the girl Surala to her village. I've never done that before. It was pretty touch and go there, but I knew it would be worth it to go all-out. Of course, now I'm a little ill-prepared for the next part of the game, but oh well. (at least my Hide Shield is rust-proof)

So I gave up on waiting to be rescued. But what the hell?! I put a bunch of items in the mountain village store house, and they didn't show up in canyon hamlet.

I thought the warehouses were linked through the whole game?!

Christ, I may as well start the game over from scratch now, I can't past the 1st floor with a weapon or shield....

This isn't Resident Evil, you know. ;) (and sorry, I got caught up in my own game too much to get around to a rescue :( )

A bunch of stuff in the first warehouse is good, though. Sometimes it's nice to have a head start. Stat boosting items or equipment you have upgraded and sent back are especially good.

But you know, just keep going. It's about wits and careful management of resources you find along the way. Hey, if you die, you'll have stuff in the warehouse to pick up. ;)

Figure Four
03-08-2008, 01:25 AM
I decided to try out the SNES game to see if I should pick up the DS game. I'm torn. On one hand I've been dying a whole hell of a lot (seriously it took me like six or seven tries just to get to the first village) but it is quite fun. I think I'll stick with it for a bit and see if it keeps my interest.

Eusis
03-08-2008, 01:26 AM
So I gave it another go, getting back to where I was... But it was a monster house! It's cleared out easily enough, so I proceed to the next floor, which is another Monster House. With much tougher enemies. After tigers play ball using Shiren, one of them kills the other then ascends into godhood, and effortlessly decimates Shiren.

I considered doing a rescue, but I doubt anyone wants to jump into a monster house. Hell, how does this work? Maybe you'd go through TWO.

(Oh, and I did change my travel log name, thanks.)

Thundercles
03-08-2008, 01:53 AM
So, knowing the hell that awaited me if I set out (thanks to you guys and your brave wanderings) I decided to try all of the challenges to start out with. They're all pretty straightforward, except challenge 47: "Money Toss", which relies on a total BS trick that isn't listed anywhere and I only found as I wandered aimlessly in my frustration. You can try to figure it out yourself, but for those who don't know and don't care to wander around blindly: if you use B-button movement to run at a money bag, you'll stop over it without picking it up. Once you know that, the rest of the level is just as hard as any of the others.

By the way, the reward for doing every challenge is 3 blank scrolls. I think I'm ready to go die horribly now.

Reluctant Hero
03-08-2008, 01:58 AM
This isn't Resident Evil, you know. ;) (and sorry, I got caught up in my own game too much to get around to a rescue :( )

A bunch of stuff in the first warehouse is good, though. Sometimes it's nice to have a head start. Stat boosting items or equipment you have upgraded and sent back are especially good.

But you know, just keep going. It's about wits and careful management of resources you find along the way. Hey, if you die, you'll have stuff in the warehouse to pick up. ;)

So i read about sending items back with a courier, but I was never offered an opportunity to do so. When am I able to do this? I'm getting my ass kicked and I can't even get to the second village.

Niku
03-08-2008, 02:19 AM
It was pretty much business as usual. I'd cleared all 50 Fay Puzzles, and had gone down into the dungeon five prior times. I had a golden katana and a Bronzeward shield I had been pumping my upgrades into for my later real attempt at hitting the end of the game later stashed in the second warehouse, and so by the time I got there I left with just a +1 katana and a wooden shield.

Jar of Holding after Jar of Holding showed up as I descended. Floor 12 and 13 were both Monster Rooms. One monster room got one of the K-berserk enemies to its 6TH iteration when I hit a Blastwave scroll and it went around cleaning up after me, but a Postpone Staff and some arrow pelting netted me a ton of XP from that.

And onward I went. A well timed plating scroll gave my katana and shield a nice gleaming sheen right before Purple Slimes began showing up. Nearly 10 Holding Jars found their way into my position, filled with staves of almost every hue and spell. A melding jar later brought the +1 katana to +3 and the wooden shield to +1. Scrolls of Light were stashed away for later usage, Scrolls of Sleep and Confusion going ignored, Staves of Doppelgangers beginning to come in handy when I reached the three trials. Floor 28, I spawned right next to the stairs, and I still had enough Light Scrolls to make it through the rest.

Needless to say, confused, sleeping, looking like my evil twin, shot up with lightning, pelted with empty jars, that giant bastard bug didn't stand a chance.

Numbah 4, baby.

Lakupo
03-08-2008, 02:23 AM
So i read about sending items back with a courier, but I was never offered an opportunity to do so. When am I able to do this? I'm getting my ass kicked and I can't even get to the second village.

The courier shows up randomly on floors now and then (usually more on the higher levels), and I think he's in a village or two.

When I first started out playing the original a few months ago, I was getting clobbered early on. Now, I usually attempt Table Mountain with nothing but the Big Riceball from the first village. Are you leveling enough early on? Run around the cedars for a bit (in the original, I'd run around one level, but you might have better luck going up and down the floors) to gain an extra level or two.

Are the bow guys causing you trouble? A good rule for projectile firing enemies in the early stages is serpentine! Going diagonally confuses them for some reason.

Reluctant Hero
03-08-2008, 02:24 AM
Okay, I'm really in dire need of a rescue now. I got some awesome equipment I don't want to loose. Unfortunately I died because I forgot to get my big rice ball and I never came across any rice!

I'm on 8F. 0000-0000-0296. If anyone here rescues me, can you spare some rice? Thank you!

Lakupo
03-08-2008, 02:40 AM
I want to help, but rescues can only be started from Canyon Hamlet, and I'm pretty far from there in 16F. Well, who knows, I might get killed by one of these tough monsters -- I'm running out of staff charges to get out of jams.

Gah. I hit swing instead of throw on a spent staff and died. On my way. :P

Wait, that's no good. Have to do it right: On the seventeenth floor, right within Table Mountain's doorstep, a Chainhead clobbered me from two spaces away. I used a pain sharing staff to deal his damage back at him, but one more hit would kill me. The exit was near, but I wouldn't be able to get away in time, so I attempt to throw my spent Throwback staff at him, but swung instead, clobbered a second later.

Eusis
03-08-2008, 02:56 AM
Already completed the rescue, kinda did it whimsically and I was at the start anyway.

Lakupo
03-08-2008, 02:59 AM
Ah, well, I died anyway when I landed on floor 3 next to two Snakies and a third approaching, and no corridor nearby for cover. That's a rather ignominious end considering where I just was.

Eusis
03-08-2008, 03:07 AM
I never even gut a cludgel, I just tries to rush through the floors and kinda lucked out when I reached him, though I did waste entirely too much time on a stupidly buffed thief until I got some wind message, and decided it was a warning for me to get going.

ravinoff
03-08-2008, 03:08 AM
Reluctant: On my way.

Shadax
03-08-2008, 03:43 AM
I'm pretty amazed at the number of people that have joined the forum for the purpose of posting in this thread. It warms my heart that Shiren can act as a siren song for such wayward souls.

Shadax
03-08-2008, 04:09 AM
Octopus Prime, check for a revival spell

Eusis
03-08-2008, 05:04 AM
Went to play a bit before I went to sleep, got a bit carried away, then killed by a buffed up baby dragon thing because I was too stupid to bail when I had stuff I wanted to keep. I've requested a rescue, my Friend Code is in an earlier post, but if you just want the rescue number it's 0000-0000-0315.

LordGek
03-08-2008, 07:15 AM
O.P., you failed to mention that your corpse was in a Monster House

All rescues are in Monster Houses, actually, even if that isn't how the player really died!

If you die in a hallway you are moved to a random room.

If the room you died in was NOT a Monster House it is now, and even if it already was, the game is sure to make it a fresh and full one for your rescuer.

So I know I have often pulled the, "Yeah I see you laying there but I need to check out all of the cool loot in the room first so hold your horses, "Unconscious-Guy""!

LordGek
03-08-2008, 07:22 AM
While I may have already made this whine, could folk listing their Friend Codes also mention their Handles/Travel Names since many of you have handles here that are too long to fit in the ten character limit and are therefore probably using alternative names.

reibeatall
03-08-2008, 07:30 AM
After his rescue of AlexB, Andy was feeling confident. He started his run into the dungeon yet again, this time finding some pretty good loot, several shields, and a polearm early on. Things were going his way.
Enter floor 7.
Once he found Oryu, the blinder, things started going sour. The rest of floor 7 was smooth sailing, his compainion slaying anything that got in the way. On floor 8, something caught Oryu's eye. Across the map, a Fireball leveled up, but Oryu didn't care, there was a Rice Changer to kill. Andy didn't want to trek into the caves alone, so he was stuck following her. AMBUSH. Oryu stumbles upon the leveled up Fireball, and she didn't stand a chance. After her defeat, the Fireball leveled up again.
Andy had to make a choice. Should he run to the exit or attempt to fight this beast? He turned and fled, the monster a step behind him the entire way. Upon finding the exit, Andy stepped on the stairs, confident he had escaped.

The Double-Leveled Up Fireball had a different idea. One hit and Andy was dead. As the DS slowly closed, a single tear fell down a face...

Posaune
03-08-2008, 07:38 AM
I kind of feel like the enemy spawn rate on the first few floors has been lowered, but perhaps the ability to backtrack early on (holy crap I'm not used to that) makes up for it.

I don't have a DS so I am playing the ROM version. How does the backtracking work? Can you just walk back from the second village or what?

Octopus Prime
03-08-2008, 07:53 AM
After being spared from a deadly fate from a kind samaritan, Shiren went further into the dungeon. However, the next area was a poisonous swamp, whose denizens were quick to corrode his equipment to the point it was useless. Though he proudly fought on with naught but his fists, Shiren proved to be no match for a mighty lobster, which struck him down.

Cursing his luck, Shiren bravely went into the forest after waking up and forgot to get any equipment. So he died again, at the hands of a Bowboy.

Geez, I love this game.

LordGek
03-08-2008, 08:57 AM
Cursing his luck, Shiren bravely went into the forest after waking up and forgot to get any equipment. So he died again, at the hands of a Bowboy.[/COLOR]


Oww, I know this all too well! Or, I pull some deal where I setup a nice pack and start off on a rescue attempt only to realize...I forgot to pack a lunch!

WreckTheLaw
03-08-2008, 09:29 AM
Hokousha Shiren, after praising his rescuer, moved on. He pushed closer to Table Mountain, well equipped with a shining golden shield +1 and with two jars of riceballs. The Cudgel he had upgraded in a last ditch attempt to push forward to the next town had reached +6, and was at the very least making do. He ascended into the village, and there he saw them - the parents of the girl he left behind as he fell into a monster house. "Our daughter is missing... have you seen her?" Shiren was at a loss; He had told the girl he'd protect her, and instead left her behind (in search of hot loot.) He'd go back. He'd go back and he'd rescue her.

He went back and a walrus stole all of his food. Screw that girl, she isn't worth it.

Flipping off the parents, Hokousha took a hit to his alignment (RIP Gygax) and pressed on, through the swamp, and into the lower levels of Table Mountain itself. Starving, and cursing the existence of walruses (walri?) he shouted out with all of his remaining strength: "MY LIFE FOR A RICEBALL!"

And the gods responded the only way they knew how, but turning him into a riceball, and allowing him to provide sustenance for the creatures on the 20th floor.

bastards..

Wouldn't mind a rescue, friend code is 2234-6777-2214, rescue code is 0000-0000-0254.

Torgo
03-08-2008, 10:45 AM
I bought the game but I haven't cracked the plastic. I'm... waiting a day or two to see how much money I spend this weekend. Weather I keep it or not, at least right now I don't have to worry about finding a copy.

Warg
03-08-2008, 01:24 PM
Found it!

____________________________________

Not to be outdone by the tragic adventures of Lone Wolf and Cub, Stupid Dog and Mustelid went out on a grand journey!

In the first floor of the Old Mine, our green adventurer came across a spiny bomb. He poked it with his polearm, and stood in awe at the resulting pretty fireworks!

... which were exploding RIGHT IN FRONT OF HIS FACE.

In horrible, horrible pain from his third degree burns, he ran around screaming and shrieking and flailing about! That is, until he bumped into a Death Reaper, who promptly lifted his scythe and sliced our charred hero in half.

With his last fleeting moments of consciousness, he ordered his mustelid companion to seek help -- but unfortunately for our hero, his little friend loves barbecued meat.

____________________________________

So, assuming I'm not reduced to bones by day's end, would somebody be so kind as to bring up some needle and thread, or some glue? Oh, and some steel wool wouldn't hurt either.*

Friend Code: 2406 - 4771 - 7046
Rescue Request: 0000 - 0000 - 0384

poetfox
03-08-2008, 01:41 PM
So you people have convinced me... I picked this up yesterday, and started playing today... and I was all excited, because I realized most of the skills I had picked up in Pokemon Mystery Dungeon carried over just about perfectly to this game, although I'm hoping I'll have to throw less rocks (I guess they're arrows in the game... I swear, that's all my Eevee could do. Don't be an Eevee in that game) in this one... so I'm going along, being fairly confident, and I pass the first village and them immediately die in the next area. Ow.
I should probably read all of the posts here more thoroughly and learn from you all...

Eusis
03-08-2008, 02:04 PM
... Guys? I still need to be rescued, please help. :(

FC: 4854-6079-5451
RN: 0000-0000-0315

SamuelMarston
03-08-2008, 02:04 PM
My local store didn't have it yesterday, despite their listed release date being the 4th.

I'm kinda pissed because I've been in three times that they told me it would definitely be in, and it never was. I think I'm going to switch my reserve to Fallout 3 and go buy a copy elsewhere.

blindblue
03-08-2008, 02:14 PM
The copy I ordered from Amazon should be here in a couple days, then I'll be jumping in.

rukiri
03-08-2008, 02:35 PM
Helplessly he watched as the strange fish-man thing stabbed the poor little girl through the heart. A moment later Shiren's own polearm had impaled the vile creature, but it was too late. It was all too late. There was no point to anything anymore. How many times had he courted death? Been pummeled by boulders, haunted by ghosts, surrounded by the undead, only to grasp onto life, survival, at the very end? Why should it be, that he who danced with death should elude its grasp, and yet this poor girl, lost and confused, should die so easily? It made no sense... nothing made sense anymore.

Reason slipped into rage as Shiren cast out deeper into the mountain. Dashing down a narrow corridor he spotted a baby tank in the distance. His thirst for revenge guided him as he charged it head on. A flash filled his eyes before the cavern around him exploded into rubble. Though bruised and bloodied, Shiren felt no pain and continued his charge. With a satisfying crunch, the polearm burst through the tank's armored hide dismembering the driver inside. From the corner if his eyes Shiren saw another flash. He was happy.

Forgive me little girl. As we dance the dance of life and death, I pray our steps shall meet again. I will save you next time, I swear it.

LordGek
03-08-2008, 02:52 PM
Helplessly he watched as the strange fish-man thing stabbed the poor little girl through the heart. A moment later Shiren's own polearm had impaled the vile creature, but it was too late. It was all too late. There was no point to anything anymore. How many times had he courted death? Been pummeled by boulders, haunted by ghosts, surrounded by the undead, only to grasp onto life, survival, at the very end? Why should it be, that he who danced with death should elude its grasp, and yet this poor girl, lost and confused, should die so easily? It made no sense... nothing made sense anymore.

Reason slipped into rage as Shiren cast out deeper into the mountain. Dashing down a narrow corridor he spotted a baby tank in the distance. His thirst for revenge guided him as he charged it head on. A flash filled his eyes before the cavern around him exploded into rubble. Though bruised and bloodied, Shiren felt no pain and continued his charge. With a satisfying crunch, the polearm burst through the tank's armored hide dismembering the driver inside. From the corner if his eyes Shiren saw another flash. He was happy.

Forgive me little girl. As we dance the dance of life and death, I pray our steps shall meet again. I will save you next time, I swear it.

I always lose her once I first hit the non-kid tanks. Its times like these I wish there was a "Run away!" command I could give her when dealing with those bastages!

Thundercles
03-08-2008, 03:09 PM
Confident in his powers, Thundrcles (stupid 10-character limit) conquered floor after floor. His first setback came when his last remaining herb of sight got turned into a big riceball right before meeting the blind girl, but Thundrcles wasn't worried; he was sure he could find her again if he just soldiered on and collected more. After a quick visit to a village, he returned to find the floor empty, the girl gone.

Moving on with his mighty gold-plated sword and shield, Thundrcles found himself prepared for almost every eventuality, slaying hordes of monsters and rescuing a poor lost girl from tanks and fire beasts. Then, two zones from the next village, the second setback: Thundrcles fell through a trap door, leaving the little girl lost for the rest of the trip. In vain did he attempt to backtrack by 5 floors, for she was gone for good. It was all made the more bitter when the only useful building in the next town was boarded up by her grieving parents.

In frustration, Thundrcles kept moving, vowing he would rescue the girl someday. Invisible "Somebody"s were no match for his might and skill. Then came disaster. At half health, Thundrcles accidentally took two missteps into a monster house full of Mother Hens and Chain Heads. His carefully saved blast scroll destroyed the Hens but was unable to stem the tide of Chain Heads, which crushed him until there was nothing left.

Ah, roguelikes. How quickly you punish us for the slightest missed step.

Anyways, can anyone rescue me? I would very much appreciate a helping hand, if anyone can spare it.

Friend code:0173-0936-8967
Rescue Number:0000-0000-0387

Sporophyte
03-08-2008, 03:15 PM
... Guys? I still need to be rescued, please help. :(

FC: 4854-6079-5451
RN: 0000-0000-0315

I'd help you but it says your request is for friends only. Apparently I'm not good enough.

Edit: My Name in game is the same as it is here.

Eusis
03-08-2008, 03:19 PM
Just added you after digging through the older posts, I'm going to connect to the rankings to see if that makes the game register it. I did friends only so I didn't have random strangers saving me, though perhaps that was a mistake since it's keeping people from using the Rescue Number without us friending each other.

Oh, and my name's the same for the Journal, it's pretty easy to fit Eusis in afterall.

Sporophyte
03-08-2008, 03:23 PM
Got the request. I'll get right to it.

And we have sucess! Revival spell sent.

Warg
03-08-2008, 03:44 PM
So, bit of a dumb question: for Friend Code entries to work here -- aside from the standard rule that both players need to put in each other's codes -- only the Friend Code needs to match, right? Not the name?

Because I enjoy changing my name around as whims come -- but I wonder if it'd just be best to keep it to my handle here.

Eusis
03-08-2008, 03:49 PM
Alright, thanks for the rescue!

I'm not sure on the names, but I changed CJ Awesome (which managed to just barely fit) to C!J! Just in case.

Warg
03-08-2008, 03:55 PM
Well, Eusis, it seems from the little Wi-Fi logo that you've registered my Friend Code. Just to check, what did you register as my username?

EDIT: Wait a minute -- if loads of people kept the default Shiren username while getting friend codes, and if most people didn't put the name Shiren with every listing, then it IS name-independent. Hurr, I did thunk it good.

Dadgum Roi
03-08-2008, 04:06 PM
I keep dying one or two levels into Pegasus Ridge, at the hands of either a Rice Boss or a Rice Master. This last time I used a Staff of Postpone to send a Rice Boss to the exit, where I hoped to pelt him with arrows while he was paralyzed. Unfortunately, the exit room was stuffed to the gills with those little flying dragons, who tied me up long enough for the Rice Boss to get unstuck, level up into a Rice Master, and kill my sorry ass in short order.

Shadax
03-08-2008, 04:07 PM
Not to jinx it guys, but I could be on The Run. The spear and shield I got from from the O.P. rescue are at an absurdly high + level (+5 and +7 respectively) and I am swamped in chiropractic jars and power up scrolls. I'm currently in the stream village, and plan on taking the next 9 areas extremely slowly, since I know that if I fuck it up, it will be forever until someone can save me.

Eusis
03-08-2008, 04:08 PM
I put you down as Warg. Like said, I did change to Eusis.

Managed to reach town and put the valuable items into storage. I actually wound up getting a better Katana on the very next floor, but I had plated the one I already had before getting that one, so I just put the plated one into storage and will beef it up each time I go through the town until I have some uber katana.

Shadax
03-08-2008, 04:25 PM
C!J!'s run ended ignobly on floor 26,as he entered and was immediately besieged by death angels at all sides. Even with his Iron Shield +7, he still took nearly 100 damage a turn, and ran out of chiropractic jars a few short turns later.

Big Nate
03-08-2008, 04:27 PM
I registered here so I could talk about this fine game. Having never played this style of game before, I'm shocked and amazed at how much fun I'm having, and I've only finished my first run.

Shiren had managed to snag a Polearm +2 which he leveled up to +4 with the help of a friendly smithy and a sweet scroll he found. Coupled with a Hide Shield +3 that lowered his food usage, he was well on his way to glory and riches.

Unforunately, his luck ran out when he arrived at floor 12, having reached level 11. With a lost girl in tow, he rounded a corner only to see the girl die horrifically in a cloud of dust and debris. A large tank rolled forward, turning blue as it leveled up to become a Dadster Tank. Shiren swung his mighty polearm, but missed, only to take a direct blast in the face, thus ending his life.

shivam
03-08-2008, 04:30 PM
why do you guys put death messages in red?
is that in game?

poetfox
03-08-2008, 04:31 PM
So I just got a weapon that has a little star by it... so I assumed that was an extra special awesome weapon and ran back to town to warehouse it... because I knew if I proceeded any farther, I'd immediately lose it... are there a lot of those sorts of things? I have no idea.

Warg
03-08-2008, 04:39 PM
Eusis: So yeah, confirmed that names have no importance (since that wasn't my handle at the time). Meaning we have creative license to name ourselves whatever we want for our rescue requests!

why do you guys put death messages in red?

This tradition has a traumatic origin (http://www.gamespite.net/talkingtime/showthread.php?t=3517#29).*

Parish
03-08-2008, 04:46 PM
So angry. I had a great string of rescue runs going, building a sizeable inventory and basically making mincemeat of everything before floor 9. A floor away from my next objective, I came across a strange-looking foe -- a humanoid dressed in red robed. At first I thought it might be an NPC, but it showed up on the radar in red, so I loosed an arrow. For 1 HP. It then retaliated for a 50 -HP instant kill.

Thanks for making in-dungeon shopkeepers invincible bastards who appear to be enemies, jerks. Seriously, not cool.

Sporophyte
03-08-2008, 04:51 PM
So I just got a weapon that has a little star by it... so I assumed that was an extra special awesome weapon and ran back to town to warehouse it... because I knew if I proceeded any farther, I'd immediately lose it... are there a lot of those sorts of things? I have no idea.

I'm pretty sure the star means that it can't be rusted, which is a valuable modifier to have in the later levels.

alexb
03-08-2008, 04:52 PM
I've been trying to save you for about half an hour, but that monster house on floor nine keeps destroying me. ...I'll keep at it for now.

Eh, scratch that. My luck is terrible tonight. Sorry!

Niku
03-08-2008, 04:56 PM
Even worse, managing to kill him looses the Sheriff and his Guard Dogs upon you.

Eusis
03-08-2008, 05:11 PM
why do you guys put death messages in red?
is that in game?
It's to make them stand out, I believe.

After being rescued and putting the valuable items into storage, I trudged on. I was doing fairly well, but then I got the girl. She didn't last the floor, being killed by an enemy for extra EXP. I proceeded, slowly starving, and sent my good shield back to the Canyon Hamlet so as to keep it for my next run. I noticed I had Square Jars I could put stuff in, and put my other items, including my Katana, into it. Turns out it's a jar of change! I basically give up, and just keep going... And luck out and reach the next town. Unfortunately since the girl died, I couldn't access the shop, so I just stayed at the inn and proceeded, going through the swamp with a cudgel and into the Table Mountain, further than I've ever gotten.

Naturally, I was not long for the world. I held up well at first, but then I got ganged up on by two enemies, offed one, but the other, the game reporting as a Tengu, killed me. Ah well, it was basically hopeless anyway, so even if I remembered to use the millions of Dragon Herbs I gained from fucking up, I'd have probably just lasted another floor.

Matchstick
03-08-2008, 05:20 PM
Okay, you sons of bitches, I've now picked up the game. I think it was the epitaphs that finally pushed me over the edge. I don't need a rescue, yet, but I'll throw out my Friend Code for when I inevitably will:
3909-7164-5494

I've added everybody's friend codes to my roster as well.

pence
03-08-2008, 05:22 PM
As I run around with Oryu, trying to get past level 12, I find myself singing Jens Lekman:

Shirin, Shirin, Shirin, Shiri-i-in
Your haaaaands are sooooft, your hands are soft just like silk
You're a drop of blooood, you're a drop of blood in my glass of milk

Lakupo
03-08-2008, 05:28 PM
I think rescues might break the game a little! I went on some quick little 5 floor rescue missions, and while the first in-game bonus is small (a big riceball, although I got an in-game bonus of a rustless armband after a thank you letter), I've managed to store a whole bunch of herbs of strength and such, and have a pot full of riceballs for the ultimate trek. Oh, and a rescue of someone on floor 12 got me Firepuff meat :O I always used the bufoo staff that the chef gives you on a marmel for him to get the seed of strength, so getting some cool monster meat is special to me :o

Man, some of you are wusses. I frequently go into the wilds with naught but a riceball! Of course, if I forget that, I'm screwed.

And hey, I got in the rankings. :D I'm down to 83 from 77 now, but that's still decent for a 17 floor run.

Octopus Prime
03-08-2008, 05:37 PM
Did you know that the ghosts of Evil Soldiers can possess each other?
Because they can. I had to deal with a floor so full of those things and Rice Bosses. All of them, monsters who could kill poor Shiren in a couple of blows.

And the fact that this message isn't written in red is a testament to how damn awesome I am.

And THAT is why they call me Bender The Magnificent

LordGek
03-08-2008, 05:38 PM
Confident in his powers, Thundrcles (stupid 10-character limit) conquered floor after floor. His first setback came when his last remaining herb of sight got turned into a big riceball right before meeting the blind girl, but Thundrcles wasn't worried; he was sure he could find her again if he just soldiered on and collected more. After a quick visit to a village, he returned to find the floor empty, the girl gone.

Moving on with his mighty gold-plated sword and shield, Thundrcles found himself prepared for almost every eventuality, slaying hordes of monsters and rescuing a poor lost girl from tanks and fire beasts. Then, two zones from the next village, the second setback: Thundrcles fell through a trap door, leaving the little girl lost for the rest of the trip. In vain did he attempt to backtrack by 5 floors, for she was gone for good. It was all made the more bitter when the only useful building in the next town was boarded up by her grieving parents.

In frustration, Thundrcles kept moving, vowing he would rescue the girl someday. Invisible "Somebody"s were no match for his might and skill. Then came disaster. At half health, Thundrcles accidentally took two missteps into a monster house full of Mother Hens and Chain Heads. His carefully saved blast scroll destroyed the Hens but was unable to stem the tide of Chain Heads, which crushed him until there was nothing left.

Ah, roguelikes. How quickly you punish us for the slightest missed step.

Anyways, can anyone rescue me? I would very much appreciate a helping hand, if anyone can spare it.

Friend code:0173-0936-8967
Rescue Number:0000-0000-0387

Rise forth! You have been revived! (I made it on the 3rd attempt!)

StriderDL
03-08-2008, 05:50 PM
The sheer amount of goodwill for Shiren has driven me to both join the TT crew (rather than constantly ghosting the boards) and place an order on amazon. It'll be here Wednesday!

Off topic, but does anyone else have Call of Duty 4 for PS3? Just looking for online play sans the usual internet dreg. PSN ID is the same as here.

WreckTheLaw
03-08-2008, 05:54 PM
Only have it for 360, sorry Strider.

Wait...

Now I'm thinking about roguelikes set in the Strider Universe... just great.

ringworm
03-08-2008, 05:55 PM
The wanderer approached two men harassing a young women. Immediately moving to step in, he paused, realizing that this was the woman who had tricked him not only once, but twice in his journeys, blinding him before running away. While he empathized with the two brutish men, he simply could not allow them to continue with whatever plans they had for her. Easily dispatching them, the young women, Oryu, offered to join him on his quests, and the wanderer accepted.

She had proven herself to be a great help to the wanderer, often dispatching enemies while the wanderer was busy elsewhere. Their friendship grew and for a time they were happy. Then came the bombs.

Shiren, blown up by a Spike Bomb and coming out the blast clinging narrowly to life, was cowardly in his next encounter. It was in a narrow passageway where he gave the bomb a single strike, and then almost subconsciously pushed Oryu toward the beast and ran. Oryu had no choice but to strike the bomb, and the resultant explosion killed her.

Griefstricken and ashamed the wander continued alone. Perhaps he was distracted, lost in thought, when he was cornered by a trio of creatures, even one of which would have been a formidable challenge. He quickly dispatched the first, turning then to the second, before realizing the third had broken off to attack another wanderer. Shiren had just finished the second enemy when the third, standing triumphant over the corpse of his enemy, appeared to grow in size and power. A weakened Shiren reached into his backpack for a medicinal herb to prepare for the oncoming onslaught, only to find it empty. A slight smile formed on his face as the claw of the creature came down to land it's fatal strike. He deserved this.

I could maybe use a rescue!

FC: 5198-2066-5774
RN: 0000-0000-0447

Warg
03-08-2008, 05:58 PM
I guess I should also throw out a note that, with all the talk of successful rescues everywhere, I'm still slowly decomposing and being nibbled on in 8F!

FC: 2406 - 4771 - 7046
RN: 0000 - 0000 - 0384
(And for those demanding a username, just use my handle here.)

Octopus Prime
03-08-2008, 05:58 PM
Shirens earliar boasting proved to be his downfall, as he was struck down by a Tiny-Tank on the cusp of Floor 10, leaving a little girl to die at the unfathomable horrors alone. His last two thoughts being: "Gee I'm glad I stored that awesome sword in a warehouse before going any further" and "I should maybe have got a shield?"

Is there any way to get Monster meat without using that staff? Because I've yet to have find any except from that side-quest.

StriderDL
03-08-2008, 06:06 PM
No worries, I shall deal with the "n00bs" the best I can.

I never knew these types of games were called rogue-types. Anyone remember Fatal Labryinth for the Genesis? Kinda lame, but my experience with these types of games is limited. Or Azure Dreams? I enjoyed that one. Had some sweet equipment after a series of runs, but eventually had to return it, and thus never reached the top of the tower.

What's this Nethack that was referenced at @play?

pence
03-08-2008, 06:12 PM
What's this Nethack that was referenced at @play?

Nethack was the first Roguelike I ever played, mostly because it comes free with pretty much every distribution of Linux. It plays basically like Shiren, but without the characters or the warehouses; it's pure hardcore dungeon hacking. I am pretty terrible at it, whereas I feel like I still have a chance at finishing Shirin.

Octopus Prime
03-08-2008, 06:16 PM
No worries, I shall deal with the "n00bs" the best I can.

I never knew these types of games were called rogue-types. Anyone remember Fatal Labryinth for the Genesis? Kinda lame, but my experience with these types of games is limited. Or Azure Dreams? I enjoyed that one. Had some sweet equipment after a series of runs, but eventually had to return it, and thus never reached the top of the tower.

What's this Nethack that was referenced at @play?

Oh you poor, poor man. Gaze, ye 'pon the Ruiner of Worlds (http://www.nethack.org/). Though I must warn, should you mind, it's not very graphically intensive. Or graphical whatsoever. For more information on Rogue-Likes, please consult your local library (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rogue-like).