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GoggleBob 11-15-2015 03:53 PM

Xenosaga: Was mißriert
Chapter Index!

Xenosaga Episode 1
Part 01: You're reading it now
Part 02: Let's Learn Xenosaga
Part 03: The Woglinde and You
Part 04: Everybody Hurts
Part 05: New Ship, Same %#&^
Part 06: Space Cop and Lil' Bot
Part 07: Blazing Sword, Blazing Curry
Part 08: Invasion Elsa
Part 09: Here Comes a Special Boy
Part 10: The Death of Fun (and Cherenkov)
Part 11: Black Betty, Business, and Bikinis
Part 12: Hero's Journey (to Jail)
Part 13: Memory Lane
Part 14: Kukai Burning
Part 15: Sing Me a Song
Part 16: Xenogears the Revenge
Part 17: Love, Justice, Courage, and Giant Robots
Part 18: An End
Part 19: Let's Review Episode I
Part 20: Cliff Notes

Episode 1 Special: Xenosaga the Animation
Special: The Animation Part 1
Special: The Animation Part 2

Xenosaga Episode 2
Part 01: Past Beginning
Part 02: Crosstown Traffic
Part 03: Family Matters
Part 04: MOMO's Big Day
Part 05: Sympathy for the Devils
Part 06: Snow Compromises
Part 07: Shion Uzuki: Model Employee
Part 08: Sound and Fury Signifying Ormus
Part 09: Explosive Revelations
Part 10: Up to the Precipice
Part 11: Sidequest Roundup
Part 12: Dark Omens (of Giant Robots)
Part 13: The End(s) of Albedo
Part 14: Let's Review Episode II
Part 15: Cliff Notes

Episode 2 Special: A Million Little Spin-offs
Special: Xenosaga I & II
Special: Xenosaga Pied Piper
Special: A Missing Year

Xenosaga Episode 3
Part 01: Begin Again at the End
Part 02: What's the Entire Galaxy Been Up To?
Part 03: Like a Romantic Comedy, but with Robots
Part 04: True Rumors
Part 05: Storm Castle, Save Princess
Part 06: Not Much of a Rescue
Part 07: Sex, Violence, and Archaeology
Part 08: What Time is It?
Part 09: Shion Through the Ages
Part 10: Fashionably Late
Part 11: The Under Labyrinthos Dance
Part 12: Another Stupid War
Part 13: Heaven or Hell: Let's Gawk
Part 14: Blood, Gnosis, and Tears
Part 15: Back to Reality
Part 16: Oh, Daddy
Part 17: URTVogears
Part 18: It's the Little Things (About Giant Robots)
Part 19: A Jerk Planet for Jerk People
Part 20: Deeper into the Shallow End
Part 21: Jesus, Mary, and Gnosis
Part 22: Love in the Time of Testaments
Part 23a: The End of the Universe
Part 23b: TEotU Explained
Part 24: Final Character Roundup
Part 25: Let's Review Xenosaga

Episode 3 Special: Final Words
Special: The Xenosaga FAQ
Special: Xenosaga Freaks LIVE!
Special: Xenosaga (and me) and Religion
Special: Beyond Xenosaga

Where to begin?

As many of you know, Xenosaga was a trilogy of JRPGs for the Playstation 2, released once every two years or so. Probably the best known feature of this trilogy was an inscrutable storyline full of religious imagery that could put Evangelion to shame, and a bevy of cutscenes that make Metal Gear Solid look like a mere flipbook. It was also a sequel of sorts to the Playstation 1 JRPG, Xenogears.

So, let’s start there.

Though, before we go any further, I want to be clear: this is a Let’s Play, so it will spoil the whole of Xenosaga. Yes, assuming my thumbs don’t fall off and my eyes strike in defiance, I will be LP’ing the entire trilogy. Additionally, I will not be stingy about potentially spoiling things in the narrative ahead of time. If I want to note that Junior is an immortal right from his introduction, I’m going to do that. Also, a lot of this game evokes scenes and characters from Xenogears, so it is very likely I will spoil that nonsense, too. Come to think of it, if you care about playing any game with “Xeno” in the title completely clean, just go ahead and read something else. Now’s a great time to brush up on your Mega Man Anatomy!

Anyway, back to Xenogears. Xenogears was, in hindsight, a singular gaming event that I’ll likely never experience again. XG was released right at a horrible time for my peer group, when raging teenage hormones and Tifa Lockheart convinced us all that JRPGs were some kind of high entertainment that parents just don’t understand. Coupled with Neon Genesis Evangelion, “our generation”’s media was just so much more important and meaningful than anything that had come before, and I know I wasn’t the only one that was suckered into thinking Fei and Elly’s millennia old love story was the most significant story ever told.

Despite the accolades of the immature everywhere, though, Xenogears had a flaw. Xenogears was, one way or another, unfinished. Yes, the entire second disc of the game was paced about as well as this LP inevitably will be, and it should have been obvious to even the casual observer that great swaths of the game were cut, but, no, that wasn’t the issue for fans. The problem was that there was a complete “Perfect Works” book out there, and it claimed that Xenogears as we knew it was merely Episode 5 in a six episode series. Like a similar nerd fetish, Star Wars, we were all on the edge of our seats waiting for the next chapter, and all the prequel chapters.

But the future refused to change.

Fun fact: Xenogears didn’t need prequel stories any more than Star Wars. In much the same way that you know everything you need to know about Darth Vader from the original material (we used to be best buddies, and now we’re not), and in no way needed to know exactly what the guy was doing when he was five and building robots, Xenogears covers the important parts of episodes 2, 3, and 4 over the course of the game proper. Episode 2 was simply the story of Cain and Abel, which I think has some further detail in other sources. Episode 3 was “Zeboim Culture”, which was the “permanently 1999 AD” epoch that allowed for “our” cities to be buried under the Xenogears world. And Episode 4 was that Solaris War that I swear gets more development during the game than Rico. Yeah, you could probably set a neat noir game opposite Fei-Kim’s time in a labcoat, or maybe a TRPG set during Fei-Lacan’s military service, but Xenogears’ numerous flashbacks already told you everything you really need to know.

But there are two unknown periods proposed by Perfect Works. The most obvious was Episode 6, the only Episode to take place after Xenogears, aka “this space intentionally left blank for sequel”. But on the other side of the spectrum, there was “Episode 1”, which, on a whole, seemed to exist merely to get all the pieces together for Episode 2 onward: Earth-Man has gained space travel, the Zohar, and a need to create a space god thanks to a galactic war. It really is all place setting, because you can’t just start a story saying “In the beginning, Man created God and the Earth”, you need to have some reason space-god-slug was produced and stuck in an enormous ship, so how about a galactic war, or something?

Of course, the only issue with focusing on Episode 1 would be that, by definition, it would be devoid of all the reincarnation nonsense and the parade of familiar characters that were recycled for every other episode. And, divorced from the central “world” of the other episodes, all you would have left is, basically, Star Trek with JRPG flourishes. It would be like telling the story of Lavos’s creation on another planet: any similarities to beloved characters and situations from Chrono Trigger or Chrono Cross would be incredibly forced and completely nonsensical. Anime wagon train to the stars has been done to death already, so what would be the advantage of slapping the Xeno license on it?

Naturally, Xenosaga Episode 1 was announced.

As information dribbled out, an anxious fanbase learned details that were good and bad. Bad news: despite the name, the “Xenosaga Series” would only focus on the Xenogears Episode 1 epoch. So, sorry, no tour of the entire Xenogears series (and Xenosaga Episode 5 wouldn’t be a Xenogears remake). But good news: at this point, everyone knew of the production troubles that plagued Xenogears toward the end of its development, producing what was, effectively, only 60% of the actual vision of the game. Now, with an entire multiple game/episode “saga” to tell a story, surely we would see the real, complete Xeno experience. No sitting around watching a pendulum swing, we’ve got space to breathe! A whole galaxy! Sure, Monolith Soft, team Xeno, had to jump from Square to Namco to get the game made, and, thus, we wouldn’t be seeing any licensed Square/Xenogears characters, but we learned of Dr. Shion Uzuki pretty fast, so we knew a genuine Xeno experience was incoming.

And that monkey’s paw granted us the game we all asked for…

What’s going on here?

This will be a Let’s Play of the entire Xenosaga series, Deus willing.

Don’t you have better things to do with your time?

I’ve wanted to replay the Xenosaga series in its entirety for some time, but I know it’s a complete time sink, so examining the series on the forum here is a fine excuse to do such a thing.

Oh, devote a lot of time to thinking about Xenosaga?

Man, I used to. I remember practically begging for more at the finale of Xenosaga Episode 1, but by the time I finished Episode 3, I barely could remember what happened. Like, seriously, I beat the game, and like a week later I couldn’t remember exactly how that went, despite the fact that my younger self would have killed for that information. Something happened there, I’d like to reexamine what.

So what will this LP focus on?

There’s no way around it: this is a “story driven” game series. Cutscenes are lengthy and plentiful, and there’s no end of aggravating -important terms- that are implied to be dripping with meaning… but… are they?

Looking at it from another perspective: there are about a billion “mysteries” floated in the opening episode, but are they satisfactorily answered by the ultimate finale? This was a game series that was released over the course of years, I don’t expect every thread to be properly analyzed, but it’d be nice if all those conundrums added up to something.

So we’re all about the story here?

Nah, I want to examine how the nuts and bolts of the game all interact with the storytelling involved. Would this game have been better as (just) an anime series or light novels or alike? Does “playing” Xenosaga enhance the narrative, or detract from the vision with gameplay concessions? Who knows, but let’s find out.

It’s a JRPG. What about the battle system?

I can only speak to Xenosaga Episode 1 right now, but I can say I’m not going to focus too much on the individual battles of the game. There’s a significant reason for that that will become apparent shortly into the LP, but, to be clear, I’m not going to be focusing much on battle strategy and distinct monster mobs. There are just too many battles I vividly remember banging my head against when I initially played this series, and this LP is never going to progress properly if I’m trying to survive and overanalyze what it means for the Minotaur to use acid rain inside a spaceship.

Picture or Video LP?

Picture, for two reasons. One, I personally find it difficult to “follow” video LPs, if only because if I’m in a situation where I can sit down and “watch” something, I’m probably watching a scripted show, and not someone else play a video game. This isn’t to disparage video LPs, incidentally, it’s just how my own viewing habits work, which naturally influences what I myself produce. The other issue is that this game is so full of cutscenes, it would mean that half the videos would just be “hey, everybody shut up and watch the movie”, or me trying to ineffectually “riff” on cheesy JRPG dialogue in the silence of my own basement, which… gets old fast. So, picture LP for everyone’s sanity.

Anything Else?

Special thanks to this XSI script that will save me soooo much time.

And this Episode 2 script.

And this Episode 3 script.

And this Uncensored look at Episode 3 (major spoilers).

So, in the spirit of intros, let’s get this show on the road!

WildcatJF 11-15-2015 03:56 PM

Oh boy oh boy oh boy

aturtledoesbite 11-15-2015 04:04 PM

GoggleBob 11-15-2015 04:09 PM

Part 1-1

Xenosaga Episode 1 Der Wille zur Macht is here! Yes, as a bonus for fans, every episode of Xenosaga came with a Nietzsche quote, this one translates to “The Will to Power”. I suppose we’ll get in to how this applies to the game somewhere around the finale, but for now, just be aware that pretension has bubbled out of the game proper and into the title.

Sorry if that’s a little hard to read, but I’m formatting these shots so they’ll appear well on mobile devices as well as computers-proper. I have a tendency to browse the forums while on my phone, and, again, I’m a giant narcissist, so I assume my audience is me. I understand me. Anyway, that says 20xx AD, Lake Turkana, Kenya. This is, if you’re curious, a real place, and is widely believed to be the birthplace of man due to an overwhelming number of fossils. Here’s one of those random spoilers I was warning you about, but Xenosaga eventually gets around to confirming the Bible as a thing that happened, so, if you’re marrying anthropology with Christianity, you could claim this was Eden, or someplace close.

Additional fun fact: Lake Turkana is the world’s largest alkaline lake, which is where batteries come from (citation needed).

And speaking of anthropology, we’ve got a lovely little dig going.

Here’s our Indiana Jones du jour, Dr. Masuda. He offers important advice, like, “ground hard, water wet.” He’s a doctor!

And, look, we (the guys Dr. Masuda is paying to do actual work) found something! It looks like a floor tile?

Oh, it actually has a shallow polygon indentation. Anybody pick up the key to this puzzle?

Ah ha! Dr. Masuda has it handy.

This Noise

Oh yeah, that’s the ticket. Every archeologist dreams of the day they stick a random rock into some other rock and it lights up like a Christmas tree.

A… relatively tiny Christmas tree.

And random ruins are now spiking out of the lake. Crocodiles are greatly inconvenienced.

And the ruins spew forth a giant, floating, golden monolith. Dr. Masuda has anticipated this, and hired timpani players for just such an occasion.

The golden idol shoots a beam into the heavens, splits the sky, and causes a downpour. This is a desert, so good on you, monolith, way to stick it to nature.

But enough about that, now it’s 4,000 years later. Dr. Masuda is long dead.

Good game companies bring presents.

Here’s the title again, as a mysterious, golden object floats through space (spoilers: scroll up).

Meanwhile, we’re getting a readout on a computer screen about KOS-MOS and Shion Uzuki. This is basically a dos prompt OF THE FUTURE.

Gaze at an R&D department OF THE FUTURE.

And here’s a lovely surfboard coffin that, mark my words, is absolutely what I want to be buried in. LPs are legally binding.

And meet our heroine…..’s butt. Eh, it’s still the intro, so we’re going kind of easy on actually focusing on characters.

See what I mean? Just enough to know she’s got a weird hairstyle, as Shion takes a seat in a Virtual Boy OF THE FUTURE.

To stop being snarky for all of a minute, here we have a brief (like, seconds) scene of a computer diagnostic performing a series of quick medical tests while prepping Shion for virtual reality. It’s… kind of crazy how much detail goes into these scenes that are, again, shown for all of a minute. Like, I suppose they could have just grabbed random MRIs off the internet or something, but, regardless, it was someone’s job to stick some very convincing (to a layman like me) medical jargon all over the screen. And, no, to my knowledge, there isn’t anything important hidden in all of this, like it reveals Shion has cancer before it becomes a real part of the plot, it’s just a lot of window dressing for a generally boring scene that plays while the player is likely getting a soda.

Back out in space, here’s a big ship.

Here’s some text on KOS-MOS that flashes across the screen briefly. You actually may get some interesting details from the scroll, but it’s all explained as the game progresses anyway, so don’t strain your eyes. Of note, it reveals that KOS-MOS stands for “Kosmos Obey Strategical Multiple Operation System”. PROGRAMMING TIP: Never name a robot with an infinite loop.

Back out in space, some Opa-Opas are grabbing the monolith. It’s hard to tell scale here, but each of those ships is big enough to house one dude.

GoggleBob 11-15-2015 04:26 PM

Part 1-2

And here’s this dude, who decided it would be a good idea to reach out and touch the monolith with his bare (for space) hands.

And he gets absorbed into the thing in a beam of light. Somebody put a caution sign on that thing!

Back to Vector R&D, here’s a seven layer deep diagnostic of KOS-MOS. Again, an incredible amount of detail for a brief scene that flashes during the credits sequence.

Now we get to see what’s going on in the virtual world. It’s… pretty dumpy.

“There's noise appearing in the temporal lobe.”

“What's the problem?”

“It's on the left side of the temporal lobe. I'm showing slight stimulation of the synapses in section 818. It's within permissible bounds, though… Do you want to abort?”

“No, let's keep going. Just stick to the menu. I'll try for a direct approach. Back me up.”

“Roger. Launching NATARAJA connection system.”

Nataraja is, for those of you that are curious, absolutely not a name anyone would use for a computer system.

Back out in space, somebody liked the monolith so much, they put a ring on it.

Now, I don’t know about you, but if my password was “Ye shall be as gods”, I would laugh maniacally every time I tried to log into the system.

Related, “Ye shall be as gods” was a phrase that showed up under much more dire circumstances during the intro of Xenogears. It’s also a possible translation for Genesis 3:5, and it’s basically the serpent’s sales pitch to Eve to get her to hurry up and eat that damn fruit of knowledge already. One way or another, it’s a piss poor password, as, come on, it doesn’t even have a unique character in there.

So now Shion and KOS-MOS are palling around in a virtual reality world. Shion’s first move is to ask the unfeeling robot how she feels.

KOS-MOS is, if nothing else, polite.

Okay, how about I introduce both of you?

Shion Uzuki is our 22 year old protagonist for the series. She is a genius, an experienced martial artist, and ridiculously empathetic. She’s the heart of the series, in more ways than one, and she is, for better or worse, forced to carry the emotional burden of practically everything, as her more prominent partner is not so much the expressive type.

She’s also kinda crazy.

This isn’t some Buckcherry, vaguely misogynistic appraisal, either. This is completely, “Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.” Shion is constantly, constantly surprised by things KOS-MOS does, and the majority of that surprise is based on KOS-MOS being an unfeeling robot. Newsflash, Shion, KOS-MOS is an unfeeling robot, and you built her, you should know this! But, no, time and time again, Shion is just shocked by the robotic actions of the robot she built. Once, when she was a child, Shion traced her hand on cardboard, cut out the design, decorated it with construction paper feathers, drew a little beak, and then stuffed it in her mouth and was shocked when she discovered she didn’t taste delicious turkey flesh.

This… wouldn’t be a terrible trait in most fictional characters. Like, if it’s a pretty well worn trope to have a character that is “book smart” but dumb when it comes to real world applications, but, unfortunately, Shion is the main character, and the POV character in a universe that runs on mystery. Shion is supposed to be a whiz kid, but she can’t seem to see the galaxy-wide conspiracy that puts her and her project squarely at the center of the universe, nor does she ever seem to question the completely baffling circumstances that repeatedly envelope her and her companions.

Ultimately, Shion gets a lot of the same flack as Neon Genesis Evangelion’s Shinji: when you’ve got a character that is the center of a gigantic, interesting universe, you don’t want to hear them whine about how much it hurts to hug spiky mammals, you want to see ‘em get out there and kick ass and solve those galactic mysteries.

And she has a distracting anime squirrel face!

Basically, what I’m getting at is that Shion is Xenosaga’s first big mistake, but I will be tracking her deliberately through the LP to see if there is improvement.

And, as eluded to earlier in the LP, Shion has the same last name as Citan from Xenogears, a character that won’t be born for another few millennia, and was only using the name as a cover anyway. But, hey, reference!

KOS-MOS, on the other hand, is pretty rad, and there’s a reason someone decided to make her the mascot for the series. KOS-MOS is a robot, which, as will be covered multiple times in the game, is a rarity at the time of Xenosaga. She’s also completely unemotional, and that’s a feature, not a bug. This isn’t your typical Pinocchio ‘bot that you see all the time in sci-fi (“What is… love?”), this is the definition of a badass, get %^# done robot with a mission, and an arsenal of weapons to help her do it. Also, in stark contrast to Shion, she possess a laser-like focus to pursue her goals, even if those goals are beamed into her head by aliens, or whatever is going on. KOS-MOS’s only drawback appears to be rare instances when she becomes possessed by the spirit of Mary Magdalene.

Yes, that Mary Magdalene.

We’ll get into it later.

For now, she’s just serial number 00-00-00-00-1

Shion apologizes for putting her robot to work, because she does that.


“A predetermined set of emotions has been hard-coded into my emotion module to better facilitate interactions with humans. In order to better facilitate a relationship with you – Chief Engineer Shion Uzuki of the KOS-MOS Project, Vector Industries First R&D Division – I will emit an expression such as sadness, only when that response is deemed necessary. However, the emotion module of my program has determined that this is not necessary at this time.”

Shion, go ahead and write that down, and tape it to the inside of your glasses.


…. Sigh… Of course you do.

KOS-MOS just… just doesn’t care, Shion. She is rolling her eyes so hard in that helmet, it’s about to pop off.

Shion gives a call in to Allen, who is that other voice that has been randomly popping up. We’ll look at him when we get out of this whacky reality.

Also note that they’re picking up from Process 277. I completely believe that this means Shion has had the same stupid “conversation” with KOS-MOS 276 times.

Allen proposes getting absolutely nothing done, as is his wont.

And that leads to a Virtual Tutorial… which is where we’ll stop for today. We’re about fifteen minutes into the game, and this is the first we’re actually using the controller for anything. Seems like a good time to take a break.

NEXT TIME ON XENOSAGA: “Shion, I need to be cleaned.”

Torzelbaum 11-15-2015 05:20 PM

Xenogears - the sequel to Xenophobe.


Originally Posted by GoggleBob (Post 2043390)
it reveals that KOS-MOS stands for “Kosmos Obey Strategical Multiple Operation System”. PROGRAMMING TIP: Never name a robot with an infinite loop.

Actually, this is sort of a thing.


Originally Posted by GoggleBob (Post 2043397)
“Roger. Launching NATARAJA connection system.”

Nataraja is, for those of you that are curious, absolutely not a name anyone would use for a computer system.

Ridiculous religious "imagery" in a Xeno game? How unexpected... :rolleyes:

Eddie 11-15-2015 06:40 PM

Oh Xenosaga.

Please keep a running tally of every time the game tries to impress the player with a bigger ship.

- Eddie

Loki 11-16-2015 12:56 AM

Wow the character models have not held up at all. I remember when this game looked like hot shit. What fools we were.

SpoonyBardOL 11-16-2015 07:07 AM



Be still my beating internet heart.

I gots lots to say about this series. In fact I've played with the idea of doing exactly this sort of LP myself for awhile, but I didn't think I'd ever have it in me to do it justice, so I'm glad GoggleBob has swooped in to do it instead. If it's anything like how he's talked about Kingdom Hearts we're in for a hell of a time.

I actually ate up all three of these games when they came out and I still look back on them kind-of fondly, warts and all. (And oh man, are there ever warts.) I did pretty much everything in all three games, and yes that even means beating all the optional bosses and sidequests in Episode II, even clearing Captain Matthews' debt. I suppose the games just came out at the right time for me when I was at the height of my 'no man seriously anime is just the best, I love it when an RPG is super anime and takes a million hours to beat' phase.

So I might pop in during this LP and dump my thoughts about the series from time to time.

First thought: The best character in the series is Ziggy and I will kung-fu fight anyone who says otherwise. He's basically anime Robocop and the only member of the cast who acts like a damn adult, at least in the first game, AND he's the only party member in the first game that doesn't have a horrifying anime doll face. Honestly when Episode II and III were being teased I was looking out for information about Ziggy more than anything else that was going on. (oh sure, the fangirls are going crazy over all the bits about Junior and Albedo in the trailer, whatever, HEY TWO SECONDS OF ZIGGY PUNCHING A WALL)

And full disclosure, while these games were a thing I may have been roleplaying as Ziggy in a MUSH (Multi-User Shared Hallucination) for.... uh... a.. few.. years.

TirMcDohl 11-16-2015 07:36 AM

I love in this game, how AGWS become absolutely pointless, and you can kick the snot out of them in swimwear. The early game establishes that touching Gnosis is bad, but man whatevs.

And this is a super spoiler, but my favorite part of Xenosaga 3 is its finale, and how it's an inversion of Xenogears. In Xenogears, the final boss gauntlet is entirely in Giant Robot mode, making the on-foot development of characters completely pointless in the endgame. For the finale of Xenosaga 3, your giant robots are stolen by whatever space bug you're fighting, and so you're fighting on foot, and it renders your giant robot development completely pointless.

TirMcDohl 11-16-2015 07:37 AM

Also, I haven't beaten Xenoblade, so is this gonna spoil that too? The games don't seem related, and I'm up to the 11th hour, I think.

Beowulf 11-16-2015 07:50 AM

This is a monumental project that I am very excited about. And just as I'm contemplating a Mage campaign that uses elements of the Xeno series, too...

GoggleBob 11-16-2015 07:50 AM


Originally Posted by TirMcDohl (Post 2043623)
Also, I haven't beaten Xenoblade, so is this gonna spoil that too? The games don't seem related, and I'm up to the 11th hour, I think.

I'm going to make reference to Xenoblade's earliest chapters soon, though only in the vaguest sense. Eventually, I'll probably compare Xeno finales to each other, but that will be around when I finish up Episode III sometime in 2021.

In the meanwhile, the "big" references will be predominantly geared toward spoiling Xenogears.

Taeryn 11-16-2015 08:19 AM

I remember playing this game. I know I finished it and enjoyed it at the time, but never played the other games.

As much as I enjoyed GoggleBob's posts on KH (enough to replay them), I'm really looking forward to this.

Solitayre 11-16-2015 09:01 AM


Originally Posted by GoggleBob (Post 2043380)
WI know I wasn’t the only one that was suckered into thinking Fei and Elly’s millennia old love story was the most significant story ever told.

I know someone who argues passionately every time the subject of romance in video games comes up that Fei and Elly is an example of one of the greatest romantic relationships in the medium.

And I'm like 'dude, seriously?' Sorry, I just don't see it. Did they even like each other?

TirMcDohl 11-16-2015 09:15 AM

There might've been a bit of people telling us that Fei and Elly liked each other, but I can't really recall. There was the scene with the shower in Solaris near the end of Disc 1.

SpoonyBardOL 11-16-2015 09:40 AM

Remember how the first (minutes long) trailer for Xenosaga ended with a brief shot of that one kid that looks an awful lot like Fei and the Xenogears fans went bonkers?

ThricebornPhoenix 11-16-2015 11:42 AM


Originally Posted by GoggleBob (Post 2043397)
One way or another, it’s a piss poor password, as, come on, it doesn’t even have a unique character in there.

As I recall, that makes it perfectly in tune with the rest of the game.

Mogri 11-16-2015 01:49 PM

I haven't played Xenosaga and why do Shion's eyes glow? It's freaky.

aturtledoesbite 11-16-2015 01:56 PM

If I had to guess, it's because she has magic hi-tech space contacts.

Yes, with her glasses. Her eyes are just that bad.

ASandoval 11-16-2015 08:49 PM


Originally Posted by Loki (Post 2043568)
Wow the character models have not held up at all. I remember when this game looked like hot shit. What fools we were.

Still prefer them to the quasi-realistic proportions and faces of the second episode though.

This is exciting for me - the Xenosaga trilogy holds a special place in my heart for being one of the most bat-shit insane experiences I've ever had to witness (particularly the third game, as GoogleBob's been eluding) and I'm prepared to see it all again vicariously through this LP.

TirMcDohl 11-16-2015 11:16 PM


Originally Posted by aturtledoesbite (Post 2043839)
If I had to guess, it's because she has magic hi-tech space contacts.

Yes, with her glasses. Her eyes are just that bad.

Best part is that she doesn't even need the glasses. They're, like, weird holographic thingies that appear when she perches the nosepad on the bridge of her nose. She goes through the second and third games without them, unless you happen to be wearing a character costume that has them on.

And they double as spy cameras!

aturtledoesbite 11-16-2015 11:42 PM

How the hell are they even staying on, then? Can she even breathe through her nose with how strongly they must be clamped down?

Loki 11-16-2015 11:45 PM

it's the future

Loki 11-16-2015 11:45 PM

meaning: she has magnets implanted in her nasal canal

Octopus Prime 11-17-2015 02:17 AM


Originally Posted by Loki (Post 2043568)
Wow the character models have not held up at all. I remember when this game looked like hot shit. What fools we were.

Yeah visually this... Does not look to have held up....

SpoonyBardOL 11-17-2015 06:10 AM


Originally Posted by ASandoval (Post 2044047)
Still prefer them to the quasi-realistic proportions and faces of the second episode though.

Then they kinda backpedal a bit and Episode III has something that's between I and II, I think it worked best.

Though of the first two I prefer the Episode II look. The anime doll faces in Episode I are creepier than I remember.

TirMcDohl 11-17-2015 07:57 AM

For the first chunk of 2, you still have the new character models wearing the outfits for the first game. It's a little odd, to say the least.

madhair60 11-17-2015 08:03 AM

This looks shit.

Sorry, that's all I've got to contribute. This looks like a game that is shit to play.

SpoonyBardOL 11-17-2015 08:07 AM


Originally Posted by TirMcDohl (Post 2044207)
For the first chunk of 2, you still have the new character models wearing the outfits for the first game. It's a little odd, to say the least.

It's consistent, though. Those scenes in Episode II are immediately following the ending to Episode I, maybe half an hour has passed, tops.

For all its foibles, Episode II actually has a number of little touches I remember liking, such as adding the Episode I costumes for the Episode II character models. Once we actually get to Episode II I might go into it a bit more.

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