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Old 05-28-2013, 05:55 PM
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Ribbon and Barette both block Charm.
Dammit I knew I forgot something while looking through the thesaurus.

(Still won't help me if my Tiamat starts taking my Knight apart.)
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Old 05-28-2013, 06:15 PM
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Ribbon and Barette both block Charm.
Mighty kind of you to point that out.

brb gotta redo my second character.
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Old 05-28-2013, 06:16 PM
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That's all the mutable info for a monster, right?
Yes; monsters are not very interesting in that sense.

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I'm starting to think that "Steal Accessory" is going to be the most underrated ability in this tournament...
Steal is affected by evasion, and Chantage is foiled by Petrify.
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Old 05-28-2013, 06:18 PM
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I'm starting to think that "Steal Accessory" is going to be the most underrated ability in this tournament...
I was planning to have a ninja or thief that abused abandon+protect/shell to rob the enemy team blind (well, steal their ribbons and perfumes anyway). I couldn't figure out a good way to make it work and not die horribly.

EDIT: But this is supposed to be fun so now my Chemist steals. Earlier post has been edited.
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Old 05-28-2013, 06:28 PM
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Chantage is foiled by Petrify.
Which is ALSO prevented by a Ribbon or Cachusha.

I can see why most tournaments ban these things.
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Old 05-28-2013, 06:31 PM
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Code:
Cersei
Female Wizard
Brave 70, Faith 40
Fight for Life

Black Magic (None)
Draw Out (Muramasa)
MP Switch
Magic Attack UP
Move-MP UP

Wizard Rod
-none-
Flash Hat
Robe of Lords
Chantage

Jaime
Female Geomancer
Brave 70, Faith 70
Run Like A Rabbit

Elemental (All)
Math Skill (All, White: Holy, Esuna)
Abandon
Defense UP
Teleport

Rune Sword
Escutcheon II
Thief Hat
Chameleon Robe
Setiemson
Kindly ignore Jaime's sex change.

The biggest thing I wavered on was whether to go with all math instead of the above. I'm worried he'll spend too much time casting Haste on himself, but that might be worthwhile. We'll see.

EDIT: Loser's bracket changelog:

Cersei's AI: Save Fading Life -> Fight for Life
Cersei's Faith: 70 -> 40
Cersei's Draw Out: Muramasa, Kiyomori, Murasame -> Muramasa
Cersei's Accessory: Setiemson -> Chantage
Cersei's Armor: Wizard Robe -> Robe of Lords
Jaime's AI: Save Fading Life -> Run Like A Rabbit
Jaime's Armor: Robe of Lords -> Chameleon Robe
Jaime's Accessory: Chantage -> Setiemson
Jaime's Hat: Ribbon -> Thief Hat
Jaime's Math Support: All Skills All Sets -> White: Holy, Esuna
Jaime's Reaction Ability: Blade Grasp -> Abandon
Jaime's Support Ability: Magic Defense UP to Defense UP

Whew. Trying to turn these guys into two focused killing machines.

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Old 05-28-2013, 07:59 PM
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Team we'll win when we're damn good and ready.
Code:
Kari
Female Priest
BR 70 FA 70
Run Like a Rabbit

White Magic (Holy, Raise 2, Esuna, Cure 3, Reraise)
Math Skill (All)
-Time Magic (Stop)
-Black Magic (Frog)
-Ying-Yang Magic (Foxbird)
MP Switch
Equip Shield
Move MP Up

Mace of Zeus
Ageis Shield
Ribbon
Chameleon Robe
Setiemson
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Joan
Female Knight
BR 70 FA 70
Save Fading Life

Battle Skill (Head Break, Weapon Break, Shield Break, Speed Break)
Punch Art (Stigma Magic, Revive, Earth Slash, Charka)
Abandon
Maintenance
Move +2

Excalibur
Escutcheon II
Barette (the one that stops petrify)
Robe of Lords
Chantage
I really wish there was a source of innocent, that Draw Out oracle looked really nice on paper.

Kari: Changed Cure 4 to Cure 3, changed Doubt Faith to Foxbird, changed AI from save fading life to run like a rabbit, added reraise.

Joan: Added Speed Break, changed Concentrate to Maintenance.

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Old 05-28-2013, 08:05 PM
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Which is ALSO prevented by a Ribbon or Cachusha.

I can see why most tournaments ban these things.
I think you mean Barette. Unless the info I have is reversed (which is possible):

Barette
HP+20
CANCEL: Dead, Petrify, Invitation, Confusion, Blood Suck, Berserk, Stop, Charm, Sleep

Cachusha
HP+20
CANCEL: Undead, Darkness, Silence, Frog, Poison, Slow, Don't Move, Don't Act, Death Sentence

Ribbon
HP + 10
CANCEL: "All negative statuses except Oil."
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Old 05-28-2013, 08:17 PM
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I think you mean Barette. Unless the info I have is reversed (which is possible):
I was using Mogri's link in the second post:
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Reference materials
Equipment list - Also written for autobattlers. This isn't a comprehensive list of equipment; it just lists the tournament-viable items in each category.
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Old 05-28-2013, 08:34 PM
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That's strange. My Prima guide has them reversed and I don't feel like firing up my PS1 to check. I copied the above from the equipment list FAQ on GameFAQs. Hmm...

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Jean
Female Wizard
BR 70 FA 70
Save fading life

Black Magic (Flare)
Math Skill (All)
Math Support: Cure 3, Flare, Demi 2, Foxbird
MP Switch
Magic Defend Up
Move MP Up

Faith Rod
Ribbon
Robe of Lords
Chantage
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Tempest
Female Knight
BR 70 FA 40
Save fading life

Battle Skill (All)
Item (Elixir, Remedy, Phoenix Down, Holy Water)
Damage Split
Concentrate
Move +2

Excalibur
Escutcheon 2
Grand Helmet
Maximillian
Salty Rage
edit: Changes in bold.

Changes:
Jean:
Blast Gun -> Faith Rod
108 Gems -> Chantage

Math Support/Time: Haste -> Demi 2
Counter Magic -> MP Switch
Equip Gun -> Magic Defend Up
Fly -> Move MP Up

Tempest:
Faith 70 -> 40

Blood Sword -> Excalibur
Venetian Shield -> Escutcheon 2

Battle Skill (all except for Magic Break) -> Battle Skill (All)
Abandon -> Damage Split

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Old 05-28-2013, 10:18 PM
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Okay, if everyone is going to have a female knight I'ma clearly have to do something else. Being just like everyone else just ain't how I roll.
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Old 05-28-2013, 10:28 PM
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No duplicate equipment, bro.

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Only one copy of each ability and item per team.
I didn't catch this until a little while ago myself. I was totally going to do an oracle or mediator with a Robe of Lords.
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Old 05-28-2013, 11:40 PM
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I really wish there was a source of innocent, that Draw Out oracle looked really nice on paper.
Innocent blocks casting, though. It's the same as having zero Faith (unless you're Malak).

I will double-check the ribbon resists tomorrow. (Thief Hat 4 lyfe) Ribbon is totally foiled by Head Break, though.
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Old 05-29-2013, 12:18 AM
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No duplicate equipment, bro.
d'oh!

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Innocent blocks casting, though. It's the same as having zero Faith (unless you're Malak).
Exactly, seems perfect to dodge math skill and just get into someone's face with non faith MA attacks.

EDIT: Fixed my duped gear.
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Old 05-29-2013, 01:01 AM
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Alright, let's see how dumb this one turns out:

Team Mystery Twins

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Mabel
Female Ninja
70 Br, 70 Fa
Protect Allies (Dipper)

Throw (Knight Swords)
Math Skill (All):
-Reraise (White)
-Frog (Black)
-Stop (Time)
-Paralyze (Yin-Yang)
MP Switch
Equip Shields
Move-MP Up

H Bag
Escutcheon II
Ribbon
Secret Clothes
Setiemson

Code:
Dipper
Male Knight
70 Br, 70 Fa
Save Fading Life

Battle Skill (Head Break, Shield Break)
Talk Skill (Threaten)
Blade Grasp
Two Swords
Move+3

Excalibur
Chaos Blade
Grand Helmet
Robe of Lords
Jade Armlet
Evasion is for the weak.

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Old 05-29-2013, 05:12 AM
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Made a couple minor changes to my team. OP is also changed, but here they are again

Team Dynamic Duo
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Batman
Male Ninja
70Br/40Fa
Save Fading Life

Throw (Knight Sword)
Punch Art (Earth Slash, Wave Fist, Chakra, Stigma Magic, Revive)
Blade Grasp
Martial Arts
Move+3

empty
empty
Thief Hat
Power Sleeve
Vanish Mantle
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Robin
Male Lancer
70Br/40Fa
Save Fading Life

Jump (all)
Item (Phoenix Down, Elixer, Remedy, Holy Water)
Abandon
AttackUp
Move HP up

Javelin II
Venetian Shield
Grand Helmet
Robe of Lords
Feather Mantle
All I can say is good luck trying to kill, or even hit, Robin. He's like... invincible, near as I can tell. Who needs Chantage when you can just not die in the first place?

And dtsund, why throw Axes, when you can throw Knight Swords? You'd get to throw Chaos Blades, man! 40 WP vs 16 WP, seems like a no brainer.

So much of this tournament is going to come down to how kind the number generator is, and to who.

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Old 05-29-2013, 07:45 AM
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I'm gonna bring back Alpha Leo from the last tournament, but I'm not sure how yet...
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Old 05-29-2013, 09:47 AM
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I think you mean Barette. Unless the info I have is reversed (which is possible):
So... interestingly enough, BMG has it both ways. In the equipment section:

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A9 Cachusha         20    0  20000  (50)  Block: Dead, Petrify, Invite,
                                                 Confusion, Blood Suck, Stop,
                                                 Berserk, Charm, Sleep
AA Barette          20    0  20000  (51)  Block: Undead, Darkness, Silence, 
                                                 Frog, Poison, Slow, Don't Act,
                                                 Don't Move, Death Sentence
And in the status section:

Code:
[Frog]
Block with:  108 Gems, Cachusha, Ribbon
etc.

The Final Fantasy wikia confirms that Torzelbaum and the status section of the BMG are correct. I'll update the Autobattle wiki to reflect this.
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Old 05-29-2013, 02:54 PM
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And dtsund, why throw Axes, when you can throw Knight Swords? You'd get to throw Chaos Blades, man! 40 WP vs 16 WP, seems like a no brainer.
Good point, didn't know Ninjas could throw knight swords. Fixed above.
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Old 05-29-2013, 04:40 PM
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Good point, didn't know Ninjas could throw knight swords. Fixed above.
Well, it almost never comes up.
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Old 05-29-2013, 05:51 PM
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Well, it almost never comes up.
Unless you're one of those people who gets free Chaos Blades in the deep dungeon without cheating, by catching the ones that ninjas throw at you down there.
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I'm gonna bring back Alpha Leo from the last tournament, but I'm not sure how yet...
You could give him the Cursed Ring.
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Old 05-30-2013, 08:03 PM
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I made some changes to my team by editing the original post. Just wanted to make sure Mogri knew.

Mogri, are you analyzing the metagame in detail here before coming out with your own team?
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Old 05-30-2013, 08:30 PM
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Lol, Mogri's about to go hard this time. Scouting everyone out and then countering us all with a Excalibur weilding knight and a Chameleon robe wearing wizard + math skill + holy.

I was gonna try and make a hardcore team as OP as I could make it, but when I thought of the Dynamic Duo theme, I didn't even want to consider Math Skill shenanigans anymore. Despite the emphasis on flavor, I still think they're pretty beast. I definitely didn't skimp on them.
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Old 05-30-2013, 08:49 PM
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I made some changes to my team by editing the original post. Just wanted to make sure Mogri knew.

Mogri, are you analyzing the metagame in detail here before coming out with your own team?
No, I'm just taking a break. I honestly haven't examined at half of the teams, but I can tell you I was considering the Excalibur/Chaos Knight that dtsund was using. That is hot stuff. Talk Skill was also on my radar.

But I can't just copy dtsund, now can I? I'm still weighing my options.
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Lol, Mogri's about to go hard this time. Scouting everyone out and then countering us all with a Excalibur weilding knight and a Chameleon robe wearing wizard + math skill + holy.
But... that's my party (well, priest for Raise 2 and Esuna and a speed boost instead of wizard).

EDIT: yeah, and the Chaos + Excalibur combo is hot. I was really considering that too (mostly because breaks should be pretty damn off the hook with 40 WP and then a second chance if that misses).
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Old 05-30-2013, 09:12 PM
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I think after this we should have a tournament with just Oracles, Mediators and Time Mages. I'm not sure if that's a joke or not.
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Old 05-30-2013, 09:21 PM
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Sticks and stones* will break my bones but words... oh dear god, words will hurt me too?!

*early guns fired stones, though generally that was more cannons than pistols.
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Old 05-30-2013, 09:27 PM
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But... that's my party (well, priest for Raise 2 and Esuna and a speed boost instead of wizard).
So it is... I hadn't realized that angle was being taken already. Holy must've gotten lost in those other white magic spells.

Can't fault you for it though. I was totally gonna go for something like that until I realized I could make the goddamn batman instead.
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Old 05-30-2013, 09:31 PM
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I think after this we should have a tournament with just Oracles, Mediators and Time Mages. I'm not sure if that's a joke or not.
I want to do this, or something similar. Like, there might be other classes we can add too, like Bards and Dancers.

EDIT: Thieves and Mimes too, why not?
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