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Old 03-31-2018, 09:01 PM
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ME ON FRIDAY MORNING: OK TIME TO GET FOCUSED YOU CAN FINISH WRITING UP AND POSTING THIS PLAYTHROUGH BEFORE THE WEEK IS UP! WON'T THAT FEEL GOOD & COOL!

ME BY FRIDAY AFTERNOON: MAN FUCK THE INTERNET



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Old 04-04-2018, 01:01 PM
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SONIC MANIA 12

TITANIC MONARCH ZONE

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The very definite last level of the game, after which there is absolutely no more game to be played! I promise.

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  • TITANIC MONARCH IS MANIA'S 4TH AND FINAL BRAND NEW ZONE. And let me tell you, it's a hell of a note to go out on. If I had to pick a level it's most inspired by, I'd probably say Death Egg, but it's distinct to the point where any comparison I could make would begin and end with "They're really huge techno-fortress final levels".
  • THAT SAID I DO HAVE A PRETTY SERIOUS CRITICISM RE: DEATH EGG COMPARISON. In S3&K did an incredible job of building up the Death Egg within the game's very simple story. The game constantly teases you with little glimpses of the thing to build up just how massive and important it is, so when you finally reach it you're like OH SHIT IT'S ON! Mania just sort of forgetting to do the between-level cutscenes in most of the second half of the game means titanic Monarch doesn't get the same buildup, and as such never feels quite as Earth shatteringly epic as it's predecessor. It's a very minor complaint, but presentation matters!
  • THERE'S A FEW BORROWED CLASSIC GIMMICKS SCATTERED ABOUT. In most cases they're used pretty sparingly, and rarely to the point where it feels like a deliberate callback instead of just sensible level design. The one prominent exception to that design mentality comes from what I'd call one of the least likely source in the whole game: the glowing balls that you orbit around and have to time your jump off of for maximum velocity are taken from S3&K's Glowing Spheres bonus stage. Not special stage! BONUS STAGE. This game you guys!
  • THIS GAME STILL PRETTY AS FUCK. the dark red level architecture looks really cool and in certain parts of Act 1 you can catch glimpses of a skyscraper-sized statue in the far background. I've seen some people claim it's supposed to be of Robotnik, and others claim it's Heavy King, and I'm not sure who's right. Whatever. Point is, it's FUCCIN SICK.
  • I SPEND A REGRETTABLE AMOUNT OF TIME IN THIS VIDEO INCOHERENTLY RAMBLING ABOUT SC2VN. I'd say I'm sorry, but that would be a fucking lie. I will never allow us to forget our esports dream.
  • THE ACT 1 ONE BOSS IS A RECREATION OF THE ONE FROM DEATH EGG ZONE. It's first phase is a complete re-creation, but it mixes things up in the second phase by replacing spinning platforms and lasers with gravity effects and guns that go pew pew pew. I cheese him with Super Sonic, as is my way.
  • ACT 2 TAKES PLACE INSIDE THE SKYSCRAPER-SIZED EFFIGY OF EGGMAN/HEAVY KING. It's not SUPER obvious from the transition, but if you pay attention you might have picked on the fact that the Act 1 boss was fought inside an elevator, and ended with Sonic and Tails going through the doors. So that's fun.
  • LIKE ALL SONIC MANIA LEVELS, IT'S MEGA-DETAILED AND FUCKING GORGEOUS. Check out the stained-glass windows of Robotnick and the Heavies in the background layers! Also all the loops are made out of lengths of heavy-duty cables zip-tied together so as to keep the wires from getting tangled! That is so cool and I didn't even notice it until literally 10 seconds ago when I paused the video to hammer out more of this writeup! OH MY GOD THIS GAME YOU GUYS
  • NONLINEAR DESIGN? IN MY SONIC? After a brief intro segment, Act 2 decides to get serious and throw you into a room where you're given a choice of four paths that each teleport you to a different segment of the level. Once you pick a path, you're stuck on it until you reach the end, at which point you'll be taken back to the teleporter room, which will now have the path you just finished walled off. Beat all four paths to get to the boss! I've seem some people complain that this makes the level too long, but I honestly kind of like the sudden change of pace, and as someone who will happily play ALL THE SONIC FOREVER, I got nothing bad to say about ACT 2 really being SECRET ACTS 2 THROUGH 5.
  • I CAN TOTALLY COMPLAIN ABOUT THE TELEPORTER DEAD-ENDS THO. There's a LOT of points in the SECRET ACTS 2-5 where going the wrong way will warp you back to an earlier point in the path. I guess it's better than making all of those pits instant death-traps, but it's easy to get mixed up and end up getting sent to the same respawn point 3 or 4 times before you even realize what you're doing wrong.
  • I ENTER AND COMPLETE A GET BLUE SPHERES BONUS LEVEL WHICH MEANS I NOW HAVE TO WRITE ABOUT WHY I THINK THIS WASN'T THE BEST CHOICE OF CHECKPOINT-STARS BONUS STAGE LIKE I PROMISED WAY BACK IN THE PRESS GARDEN WRITEUP. Like this writeup isn't already way too long oh my god. Okay so, In this game, the Blue Spheres stages get you Emblems instead of Chaos Emeralds. You get a silver one for just finishing the bonus stage and a gold one for finishing one perfectly by getting all possible rings. These emblems are what unlock all the game's extra content, such as Mean Bean Machine and debug mode and so on. On paper, that sounds like a pretty rad way to go about unlocking the game's bonus content! So what's the problem?
  • THE PROBLEM IS NONE OF THOSE UNLOCKABLES HAVE ANY EFFECT ON THE GAME YOU'RE CURRENTLY PLAYING. This essentially means you're breaking up the flow of gameplay for a reward that will only be available to you after you stop playing. Also all of those unlocks are permanent and not tied to any save file, so once you've unlocked all of them, there's literally no reason to ever jump into the stars over a checkpoint ever again. I love the blue Spheres stages! They're my favorite 16-bit era way to obtain the cool rocks, and the Mania version of the levels are the prettiest they've ever been! But I really think they should have stuck with the checkpoint Bonus Stages from S3&K, where the little minigames carried immediate in-game rewards such as rings and lives and shields! It just feels like a missed opportunity.
  • AT LONG LAST WE MAKE IT TO THE FINAL BOSS! Robotnik jumps around inside a shielded orb jumping around and firing rockets at you. He can only be hurt immediately after electrifying the cables attaching him to the background, which gives you a very small window to hit him without getting hurt yourself. Every few hits one of the electrified cables will be destroyed, meaning this fight actually gets easier as it goes on.
  • ALSO HE'LL OCCASIONALLY SUMMONS UP THESE HOLOGRAPHIC HANDS THAT WILL SEND YOU TO FIGHT ONE OF THE HARD BOILED HEAVIES FOR A FEW SECONDS. You can land hits on the heavies during these segments, but you'll always be sent back the main Eggman fight after a few seconds, so you're honestly better off just focusing on avoiding their various attacks.
  • SO HOW'S IT STACK UP AGAINST THE CLASSIC 16-BIT SONIC FINAL BATTLES? Well it's way, way better than Sonic 1's but that's not really a high bar to clear. I'll also give it an edge over Sonic 3's for how it mixes things up by occasionally sending you to fight the Heavies. That said, it can't really match the raw impact and intensity of Sonic 2's battle against an enormous Robot with no rings for extra crushingly unfair odds. And Sonic & Knuckles' massive endgame dose of AAAAH HOLY FUCK IT'S TEN TIMES BIGGER THAN ANYTHING ELSE IN THE WHOLE GAME AND IT'S TEARING THE WHOLE STATION APART AAAA brute force awesomeness is so far above this fight, it's not even a fair comparison. So I guess that makes it the third best CLASSIC SONIC FINAL BOSS. Not the best, but far from the worst.
  • ANYWAYS I BEAT HIM, WHICH TOTALLY ENDS THE ENTIRE GAME. And that very definitely concludes this Let's Play Which is now 100% finished forever! I hope you enjoyed reading it, now that it is absolutely over, and will under no circumstances ever be updated again for any reason! See you next time!
BEAT: I mean, like half the time [a visual novel's story is] "Oh there's an anime girl, and an anime boy, they're sad, now they're kissing and they're happy." THIS AIN'T FUCKIN' SHAKESPEARE.
FanboyMaster: I mean, you basically just described Romeo & Juliet.
BEAT: That's... That's not even- ROMEO & JULIET ENDS WITH THEM SAD AND DEAD!
FanboyMaster: Yeah well that's how half the visual novels end too!
BEAT: LEARN YOUR FUCKING SHAKESPEARE!
GoggleBob: Who doesn't remember the scene in Romeo & Juliet where Juliet falls down while eating toast and then Romeo sees her panties?
BEAT: OH MY GOD.
FanboyMaster: I feel like I should point out, there is an anime version of Romeo & Juliet.
GoggleBob: There are like, three of them for some reason!
BEAT: There's an anime version of the Fucking Count of Monte Cristo! I feel like we're getting off topic here!

Last edited by BEAT; 04-04-2018 at 01:08 PM. Reason: SERIOUSLY CLICK THE FUCKING ROMEO & JULIET LINKS YOU THINK I'M FUCKING KIDDING DO IT RIGHT NOW I PROMISE IT'S REALLY GREAT DO IT COME ON DO IT
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Old 04-04-2018, 02:47 PM
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Old 04-04-2018, 03:04 PM
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It's pretty solid though I didn't feel it hung together too well by the end.

Good writeup bones.
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OKAY THERE'S DEEP CUTS AND THERE'S DEEP CUTS AND THEN THERE'S NO FUCKING WAY.
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FanboyMaster: I feel like I should point out, there is an anime version of Romeo & Juliet.
GoggleBob: There are like, three of them for some reason!
That's a terrible dub.
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Old 04-09-2018, 01:18 PM
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SONIC MANIA 13

EGG REVERIE ZONE

ENEMIES OF MY ENEMIES
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[TITANIC MONARCH IS] the very definite last level of the game, after which there is absolutely no more game to be played! I promise.
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And that very definitely concludes this Let's Play Which is now 100% finished forever! I hope you enjoyed reading it, now that it is absolutely over, and will under no circumstances ever be updated again for any reason!
IT WAS A CLEVAR DECEPSTION! AHAHAHA ONCE AGAIN YOU HAAVE FALLEN FOR 1 OF M Y BRILLIENT RUUSES LOLOLOLOLOL BEAT WINS AGGAIN!

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  • EGG REVERIE IS THE SECRET FINAL BOSS YOU GET FOR BEATING THE GAME WITH ALL 7 COOL ROCKS. The TOP SECRET SUPER SONIC-ONLY level has been a series tradition since The Doomsday Zone, and Sonic Mania is ALL ABOUT TRADITION. So you all really should have seen this one coming.
  • "EGG REVERIE" SURE IS A WEIRD NAME HUH? Weirder still is that this Zone gets no title card, and is not selectable on a completed file. As such the only way to know this level's name is to look it up online.
  • SO WHAT'S GOING ON HERE ANYWAYS. Basically Robotnik and Heavy King, the only one of the Heavies that Sonic hasn't personally fought yet have gotten into a gentleman's disagreement over who gets to keep the OTHER cool rock. Also the cool rock's powers have taken them all OUTSIDE OF TIME AND SPACE, and that's why the time counter on the hud is all messed up. Sonic, who got dragged along by his own cool rocks resolves to tell both of them to quit their shit the only way he knows how: Smacking them both up! They don't like that very much, and resolve to smack Sonic in return.
  • SO HOW'S ALL THAT WORK GAMEPLAY-WISE? Per TOP SECRET SUPER SONIC-ONLY rules, you're given 50 rings at the start of the level, which count down at 1 per second. Lose all 50, you die. You CAN fly around, and you get a cool air-dash that'll cost a chunk of your rings for every use, but the flight controls are kinda weird and bad, and both Heavy King and Robotnik actively seek you out, so I find it's way easier to just stand on the ground and jump into them normally. Heavy King goes on the offensive, with electric projectiles that cost you 10 rings every time they hit. Robotnick is more of a defensive fighter, preferring to shove you away with attacks that can't actually hurt you, but can keep you from attacking him long enough to run out the clock. Also there are rings floating around that gravitate towards you so you can keep your counter above zero. That too.
  • WE ALL MENTION ON THE VIDEO THIS LEVEL JUST ISN'T AS GOOD AS THE DOOMSDAY. The Doomsday Zone is a pretty hard act to follow! Egg Reverie is cool, don't get me wrong, but it never quite nails the pure HOLY SHIT OH MY GOD AAAAA of chasing down Robotnik in high-earth orbit.
  • THE SOFTLOCK. Sonic Mania is not a bug-free game, and I was lucky enough to catch at least one major example of that bugginess on video! In my first attempt on this dual boss, I managed to score a whole bunch of extra hits on one of Robotnik's cycles, resulting in him running out of HP much sooner than Heavy King. So when heavy King retreated after my next hit on him, Robotnik just sort of came back! Like I hadn't just killed him a second ago! And then he died again! The game wasn't sure what to do when you kill 2 bosses a total of 3 times, so it chose to just sit on the empty boss arena, without spawning either or going to the end sequence.
  • SO I HAD TO RESTART THE LEVEL AND DO IT AGAIN. This time I was slightly less HELLA PRO in terms of racking up hits on Robotnik, and the game worked normally. Hooray!
  • THE ENDING SEES THE COOL ROCKS COMBINE THEIR POWER, OPENING A PORTAL TO SONIC FORCES. Fun fact: Sonic Forces confirms that the Sonic series has now split into two timelines, just like in Zelda! That's fun!
  • ROLL CREDITS. To everyone on that surprisingly long list, thank you very much for making a fun game I really like! And to everyone watching it now in my video, Thanks for watching! See you next time!
FanboyMaster: The best thing Q*Bert every did was put a hammer in the system! So when you lost it would just Activate the hammer!
BEAT: That's untrue. The best thing Q*Bert ever did was say swear words every time he got hurt, and then somehow appear in a Disney movie, where he STILL said swear words every time he got hurt!
FanboyMaster: It's because you couldn't tell what swear words he was saying.
BEAT: Exactly! So we all pretended they weren't swear words! But they were swear words! LET Q*BERT SAY "FUCK".

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The easiest place to find the name in an official source is on the soundtrack.

Speaking of that music, do my ears deceive me, or is that...
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Well! Now that we've finished the final level as Sonic, we can at last close the door on this game. It was quite a ride, wasn't it?



knock knock

Wait a minute, did you guys hear something? Maybe it was the ductwork.

knock knock

Huh, that's a bit louder. Is it coming from the door?

knock knock

OK yeah that was definitely the door. Jeez, and I just closed it. Well, OK, OK, hold your horses, let's get this open and see who it i--




Oh.


Of course it's you












COMING SOON

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Oh that guy.

TOTAL dick.
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At least he didn't break down the door this time
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IMPORTANT UPDATE


THE FIGHT FOR THE FUTURE OF THIS LP IS ON

BE HERE AT 9PM EDT TOMORROW -- FRIDAY THE THIRTEENTH -- WHERE I WILL SNAP INTO BEAT LIKE A SLIM JIM!
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BINCH PLZ



I'VE FORGOTTEN MORE ABOUT GOING FAST THAN YOU'LL EVER KNOW
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IT'S HAPPPPENIIIING!!!!!

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I am very impressed that MuteKi managed to watch both all three of the Hobbit movies AND all three of the Lord of the Rings movies, expanded editions all, between the time he beat Sonic Mania and when Beat did.
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So, I got BEAT's input last night and had to go to bed before I could do anything with it, but I am looking forward to getting it and probably starting work on this once I get home from work.
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Alas, prepping dinner took me longer than I was expecting it to (and I did start kinda late). I am hoping to get the first part of this stuff up by tomorrow, but I make no guarantees.

In lieu of this I bring you a collection of our delicious pre-race banter in a segment I call "RETURN OF TALKING TRASH LOLOLOLOL"


(depicted: me, left; BEAT, right)

ANYWAY. Our trash talking on twitter before the event started got pretty heated and I think it would do you a disservice to not share our snappy rejoinders.
I, naturally, threw the first tweet.
https://twitter.com/the_damn_muteKi/...60665789128704
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Getting in some last-minute practice before I DESTROY @BEAT_TWITTAR
BEAT came back with some Knuckles' who are ready to go:
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MEDITATING DEEPLY ON THESE TWO VERY GOOD BOYS WHO I WILL GUIDE TO VICTORY OVER HATED ENEMY @the_damn_muteKi.
And I countered with an open-faced knuckles sandwich, with mushrooms -- and one of the very hands that BEAT was about to catch:
https://twitter.com/the_damn_muteKi/...69651435139072
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I will stop at nothing to see @BEAT_TWITTAR defeated!
BEAT made it clear on no uncertain terms that he had a heritage to uphold:
https://twitter.com/BEAT_TWITTAR/sta...70677248778240
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I CARRY THE KNOWLEDGE OF ALL KNUCKLES, PAST PRESENT AND FUTURE!
MY VICTORY IS ASSURED!
YOUR FATE IS SEALED, @the_damn_muteKi
And I flexed my muscles:
https://twitter.com/the_damn_muteKi/...71416037507073
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And BEAT pointed out that I merely adopted the Knuckles, but he -- he was born in it:
https://twitter.com/BEAT_TWITTAR/sta...71974341427200
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